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From: James Hilliard <james.hilliard1@gmail.com>
To: Kekcoin <kekcoin@protonmail.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Reduced signalling threshold activation of existing segwit deployment
Date: Tue, 23 May 2017 12:56:51 -0400	[thread overview]
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On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 5:51 AM, Kekcoin <kekcoin@protonmail.com> wrote:
> I think there may be merit to this idea, allowing for political compromise
> without sacrificing the technological integrity of Bitcoin. There are a few
> mechanical problems I see with it, though.
>
> 1. It should change its activation logic from BIP9-style to BIP8-style with
> a flagday of August 1. This to maintain backwards compatibility with the
> current deployment of BIP148 nodes. This proposal seems to be a measure to
> prevent a chainsplit, so it must make sure to avoid triggering one.
That can be done as a separate proposal, it's not mutually exclusive
to this one for those who intend to run BIP148.
>
> 2. This should be for miners only; non-miners should not enforce this. It
> severely weakens the block-signalling activation mechanism in several ways
> (lowered threshold, short deployment timeframe, no "locked in" delay before
> activation) and by doing so opens up attack vectors for
> consensus-partitioning attacks using malicious false signalling. For
> non-miners that seek to take their fate into their own hands, enforcing
> BIP148 is enough.
I disagree that it should be only run by miners, enforcement of
segsignal mandatory signalling by economic nodes strongly discourages
any false signaling.
>
> 3. Even for miners this is more risky than usual; only 31% of hashrate is
> required to false-signal the activation to fork-off honest miners. This
> attack vector is magnified by the lack of "locked in" delay that would allow
> laggards to upgrade before activation. I suggest adding in at least a 1-week
> lock-in period (given the shorter timeframes 2 weeks may eat up too much of
> the available voting time before the brick wall of BIP148 activation on
> August 1).
Those who can should still upgrade for segsignal, the more that
upgrade ahead of activation the more secure it is. Those who don't
upgrade would want to wait for more confirmations anyways. I didn't
think a lock in period was all that good an idea here due to the
fairly short deployment timeline.
>
> Under the assumption that this is indeed compatible with the terms of the
> Silbert agreement, we can presume the involved miners are willing to trust
> eachother more than usual so such a short lock-in period should be
> acceptable.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: [bitcoin-dev] Reduced signalling threshold activation of existing
> segwit deployment
> Local Time: May 23, 2017 1:40 AM
> UTC Time: May 22, 2017 10:40 PM
> From: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> To: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>
> I would like to propose an implementation that accomplishes the first
> part of the Barry Silbert proposal independently from the second:
>
> "Activate Segregated Witness at an 80% threshold, signaling at bit 4"
> in a way that
>
> The goal here is to minimize chain split risk and network disruption
> while maximizing backwards compatibility and still providing for rapid
> activation of segwit at the 80% threshold using bit 4.
>
> By activating segwit immediately and separately from any HF we can
> scale quickly without risking a rushed combined segwit+HF that would
> almost certainly cause widespread issues.
>
> Draft proposal:
> https://github.com/jameshilliard/bips/blob/bip-segsignal/bip-segsignal.mediawiki
>
> Proposal text:
> <pre>
> BIP: segsignal
> Layer: Consensus (soft fork)
> Title: Reduced signalling threshold activation of existing segwit deployment
> Author: James Hilliard <james.hilliard1@gmail.com>
> Status: Draft
> Type: Standards Track
> Created: 2017-05-22
> License: BSD-3-Clause
> CC0-1.0
> </pre>
>
> ==Abstract==
>
> This document specifies a method to activate the existing BIP9 segwit
> deployment with a majority hashpower less than 95%.
>
> ==Definitions==
>
> "existing segwit deployment" refer to the BIP9 "segwit" deployment
> using bit 1, between November 15th 2016 and November 15th 2017 to
> activate BIP141, BIP143 and BIP147.
>
> ==Motivation==
>
> Segwit increases the blocksize, fixes transaction malleability, and
> makes scripting easier to upgrade as well as bringing many other
> [https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/01/26/segwit-benefits/ benefits].
>
> This BIP provides a way for a simple majority of miners to coordinate
> activation of the existing segwit deployment with less than 95%
> hashpower. For a number of reasons a complete redeployment of segwit
> is difficulty to do until the existing deployment expires. This is due
> to 0.13.1+ having many segwit related features active already,
> including all the P2P components, the new network service flag, the
> witness-tx and block messages, compact blocks v2 and preferential
> peering. A redeployment of segwit will need to redefine all these
> things and doing so before expiry would greatly complicate testing.
>
> ==Specification==
>
> While this BIP is active, all blocks must set the nVersion header top
> 3 bits to 001 together with bit field (1<<1) (according to the
> existing segwit deployment). Blocks that do not signal as required
> will be rejected.
>
> ==Deployment==
>
> This BIP will be deployed by a "version bits" with an 80%(this can be
> adjusted if desired) activation threshold BIP9 with the name
> "segsignal" and using bit 4.
>
> This BIP will have a start time of midnight June 1st, 2017 (epoch time
> 1496275200) and timeout on midnight November 15th 2017 (epoch time
> 1510704000). This BIP will cease to be active when segwit is
> locked-in.
>
> === Reference implementation ===
>
> <pre>
> // Check if Segregated Witness is Locked In
> bool IsWitnessLockedIn(const CBlockIndex* pindexPrev, const
> Consensus::Params& params)
> {
> LOCK(cs_main);
> return (VersionBitsState(pindexPrev, params,
> Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT, versionbitscache) ==
> THRESHOLD_LOCKED_IN);
> }
>
> // SEGSIGNAL mandatory segwit signalling.
> if ( VersionBitsState(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus(),
> Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGSIGNAL, versionbitscache) == THRESHOLD_ACTIVE
> &&
> !IsWitnessLockedIn(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus()) &&
> // Segwit is not locked in
> !IsWitnessEnabled(pindex->pprev, chainparams.GetConsensus()) ) //
> and is not active.
> {
> bool fVersionBits = (pindex->nVersion & VERSIONBITS_TOP_MASK) ==
> VERSIONBITS_TOP_BITS;
> bool fSegbit = (pindex->nVersion &
> VersionBitsMask(chainparams.GetConsensus(),
> Consensus::DEPLOYMENT_SEGWIT)) != 0;
> if (!(fVersionBits && fSegbit)) {
> return state.DoS(0, error("ConnectBlock(): relayed block must
> signal for segwit, please upgrade"), REJECT_INVALID, "bad-no-segwit");
> }
> }
> </pre>
>
> https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/compare/0.14...jameshilliard:segsignal-v0.14.1
>
> ==Backwards Compatibility==
>
> This deployment is compatible with the existing "segwit" bit 1
> deployment scheduled between midnight November 15th, 2016 and midnight
> November 15th, 2017. Miners will need to upgrade their nodes to
> support segsignal otherwise they may build on top of an invalid block.
> While this bip is active users should either upgrade to segsignal or
> wait for additional confirmations when accepting payments.
>
> ==Rationale==
>
> Historically we have used IsSuperMajority() to activate soft forks
> such as BIP66 which has a mandatory signalling requirement for miners
> once activated, this ensures that miners are aware of new rules being
> enforced. This technique can be leveraged to lower the signalling
> threshold of a soft fork while it is in the process of being deployed
> in a backwards compatible way.
>
> By orphaning non-signalling blocks during the BIP9 bit 1 "segwit"
> deployment, this BIP can cause the existing "segwit" deployment to
> activate without needing to release a new deployment.
>
> ==References==
>
> *[https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2017-March/013714.html
> Mailing list discussion]
> *[https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.6.0/src/main.cpp#L1281-L1283
> P2SH flag day activation]
> *[[bip-0009.mediawiki|BIP9 Version bits with timeout and delay]]
> *[[bip-0016.mediawiki|BIP16 Pay to Script Hash]]
> *[[bip-0141.mediawiki|BIP141 Segregated Witness (Consensus layer)]]
> *[[bip-0143.mediawiki|BIP143 Transaction Signature Verification for
> Version 0 Witness Program]]
> *[[bip-0147.mediawiki|BIP147 Dealing with dummy stack element malleability]]
> *[[bip-0148.mediawiki|BIP148 Mandatory activation of segwit deployment]]
> *[[bip-0149.mediawiki|BIP149 Segregated Witness (second deployment)]]
> *[https://bitcoincore.org/en/2016/01/26/segwit-benefits/ Segwit benefits]
>
> ==Copyright==
>
> This document is dual licensed as BSD 3-clause, and Creative Commons
> CC0 1.0 Universal.
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>


  reply	other threads:[~2017-05-23 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-22 22:40 [bitcoin-dev] Reduced signalling threshold activation of existing segwit deployment James Hilliard
2017-05-22 22:43 ` Matt Corallo
     [not found]   ` <CAJowKgJyMKxOarUhnZ4yJLftranFCvOnxCGUMs6gDy0MuwS-MQ@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]     ` <CAJowKgL0BgtKWQDsE7onygfuv8n2afbEdwotWNzfyV1t9_wxJA@mail.gmail.com>
2017-05-23  4:00       ` Erik Aronesty
2017-05-23  9:51 ` Kekcoin
2017-05-23 16:56   ` James Hilliard [this message]
2017-05-23 20:39 ` Andrew Chow
2017-05-23 20:42   ` James Hilliard
2017-05-23 20:58     ` Andrew Chow
2017-05-24 16:02       ` Wang Chun
2017-05-24 16:36         ` James Hilliard
2017-05-24 16:44         ` Erik Aronesty

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