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From: Ethan Heilman <eth3rs@gmail.com>
To: Alice Wonder <alice@librelamp.com>,
	 Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] SHA1 collisions make Git vulnerable to attakcs by third-parties, not just repo maintainers
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2017 13:36:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAEM=y+U7khq4FVift9aKewmasbdnFvn99pEkkYORmTCD-5thyQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f309ea73-053d-c3e9-134e-4561e89715f1@librelamp.com>

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>You have to not only produce a ripemd160 collision, you have to produce a
collision that is also a valid sha-256 hash - and that's much much much
more difficult.

I agree that merely finding a collision in RIPEMD-160 will be hard to use
in Bitcoin.

However finding a collision in RIPEMD-160(SHA-256(msg)) via bruteforce
(2^80 queries) is not particular more difficult than finding a collision in
RIPEMD-160 via brute force. Furthermore if you find a collision in
RIPEMD-160(SHA-256(msg)) you also get a valid SHA-256 hash for which you
know the preimage.


On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Alice Wonder via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> On 02/25/2017 08:10 AM, Ethan Heilman via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>
>> SHA1 is insecure because the SHA1 algorithm is insecure, not because
>>>
>> 160bits isn't enough.
>>
>> I would argue that 160-bits isn't enough for collision resistance.
>> Assuming RIPEMD-160(SHA-256(msg)) has no flaws (i.e. is a random
>> oracle), collisions can be generated in 2^80 queries (actually detecting
>> these collisions requires some time-memory additional trade-offs). The
>> Bitcoin network at the current hash rate performs roughly SHA-256 ~2^78
>> queries a day or 2^80 queries every four days.
>>
>
> You have to not only produce a ripemd160 collision, you have to produce a
> collision that is also a valid sha-256 hash - and that's much much much
> more difficult.
>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-02-25 18:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <mailman.22137.1487974823.31141.bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
2017-02-24 23:49 ` [bitcoin-dev] SHA1 collisions make Git vulnerable to attakcs by third-parties, not just repo maintainers Steve Davis
2017-02-25  1:01   ` Peter Todd
2017-02-25 12:04     ` Steve Davis
2017-02-25 14:50       ` Leandro Coutinho
2017-02-25 16:10         ` Ethan Heilman
2017-02-25 17:45           ` Shin'ichiro Matsuo
2017-02-27  9:15             ` Henning Kopp
2017-02-25 18:19           ` Alice Wonder
2017-02-25 18:36             ` Ethan Heilman [this message]
2017-02-25 19:12           ` Peter Todd
2017-02-25 20:42             ` Watson Ladd
2017-02-25 20:57               ` Peter Todd
2017-02-25 20:53             ` Russell O'Connor
2017-02-25 21:04               ` Peter Todd
2017-02-25 21:21                 ` Dave Scotese
2017-02-25 21:34                   ` Steve Davis
2017-02-25 21:40                     ` Peter Todd
2017-02-25 21:54                       ` Steve Davis
2017-02-25 22:14                         ` Pieter Wuille
2017-02-25 22:34                           ` Ethan Heilman
2017-02-26  6:26                           ` Steve Davis
2017-02-26  6:36                             ` Pieter Wuille
2017-02-26  7:16                               ` Steve Davis
     [not found]                                 ` <CAPg+sBirowtHqUT5GUJf9hmDEACKVX19HAon-rrz7GmO8OBsNg@mail.gmail.com>
2017-02-26 16:53                                   ` Steve Davis
2017-02-25 23:09                       ` Leandro Coutinho
2017-02-23 18:14 Peter Todd
2017-02-23 21:28 ` Peter Todd
2017-02-23 23:57   ` Aymeric Vitte
2017-02-24 10:04     ` Tim Ruffing
2017-02-24 15:18       ` Aymeric Vitte
2017-02-24 16:30         ` Tim Ruffing
2017-02-24 17:29           ` Aymeric Vitte

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