From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 570E284 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:29:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-yk0-f181.google.com (mail-yk0-f181.google.com [209.85.160.181]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88A581F0 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:28:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by ykdt205 with SMTP id t205so115621302ykd.1 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:28:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=l+7FGC0GfLxVWO0UjNqmXW3ybIaU63/XXJwnA6Ul3wY=; b=ImW9sDj1WRP33vRvvRZDFlIMoAEtiSp//FjR8tIKLocyIhfsioocUX1BkBC0KDF0ap s4W6KdvTPsrT7Y8PUI7thT7Hro3X19YYhmxYD0Nmk6H8m4cqwvvD6kXziU2LRH76ZhVU AskF98SudQqhT2RWLyzFjkswgqI3LE4acJMJKvdq/u6lwwAiwsKCR7kbC83X/9L7fzV2 QklkFeo3T16JTk0JuKdKDK95Iohc7ZipACqPljEEt87e5VJGYtq0gudAFlwuq7ve8KVv 7PMDwnxYtQDbRvncsCurF9wyDMNzZUvG1WHDR4HnvaWwKQ1IH1J1l175WAMriMHaH/Oa NtxQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.13.225.66 with SMTP id k63mr25664264ywe.148.1440354538708; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:28:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.37.119.144 with HTTP; Sun, 23 Aug 2015 11:28:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55D7E919.9080605@riseup.net> References: <55D6B653.6050108@riseup.net> <55D7E919.9080605@riseup.net> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 14:28:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Wardell To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c076e8ea164ed051dfeacdc X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] RE : Visualizations of Votes X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 18:29:00 -0000 --94eb2c076e8ea164ed051dfeacdc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 While I like the idea of voting on the block size debate... Why is this vote limited to miners only? I would prefer to see a vote by owners/holders of bitcoin, not miners of bitcoin. If miners with 10%+ hashrate are the only ones who get to vote... bitcoin development is an oligarchy My 2cents On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:14 PM, odinn via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > This is great!! Thank you. > > On 08/21/2015 06:24 AM, Christian Decker wrote: > > I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes', it > > currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote > > for generic size: http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/ > > > > On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev > > > > wrote: > > > > Hello Nicolas, > > > > On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote: > >>> A visualization I would like to see would include: > > > >>> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB, > >>> BIP sipa > >> etc) based on what's published in blocks. > > > >> If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs. > >> However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally > >> BIP they support. > > > > What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them > > appear in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks? > > > > I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual) > > comparison of the votes on these competing proposals. > > > > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev > >> mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > > >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > > > > _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev mailing > > list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > > > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > > - -- > http://abis.io ~ > "a protocol concept to enable decentralization > and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good" > https://keybase.io/odinn > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJV1+kXAAoJEGxwq/inSG8Ctg4H/0zOfXEO/b+yxgGjnrIiiAi5 > 04Un/C9ZuPCn/dMQ5rZ0e8jIOclNER3NGtKbPBmLweyeN84HlrUUQ0ctRQocY1md > XwGJIMpjpwQCSf52XrH3IC0J8X45DQj3295sDNnmgAkOxIyPABKdDR7RJ8LfQU/B > BmJu0JAIBJmpAkz1ZJ2wYe2T0sUFk8WmvH40BzoIKqu0A9vMcR8IqfKMBI9Qczbw > ZJyWFTsgovS/p/8tSxeI458DsY1WjivdQe7nJNXit6eA5Yle3Cs3nvsA2+6xy5L9 > uedX38+8s3XNXrXY1CCR7ptowjzCI+U6yiFluK+xx1oPPhtdRJYwo4vyTmaCaK8= > =uh68 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --94eb2c076e8ea164ed051dfeacdc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
While I like the idea of voting on the block size deb= ate...=C2=A0 Why is this vote limited to miners only?

I would = prefer to see a vote by owners/holders of bitcoin, not miners of bitcoin.

If miners with 10%+ hashrate are the only ones who ge= t to vote... bitcoin development is an oligarchy

My 2cent= s



On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 11:14 PM, odinn via bitcoin-dev = <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> = wrote:
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This is great!! Thank you.

On 08/21/2015 06:24 AM, Christian Decker wrote:
> I hacked together a simple tracking page for the 'block votes'= , it
> currently includes the 8MB vote and XT, as well as the /BV\d+/ vote > for generic size: http://bitcoinstats.com/network/votes/<= /a>
>
> On Fri, Aug 21, 2015 at 7:25 AM odinn via bitcoin-dev
> <bitcoin-d= ev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>> wro= te:
>
> Hello Nicolas,
>
> On 08/20/2015 08:49 PM, Nicolas Dorier via bitcoin-dev wrote:
>>> A visualization I would like to see would include:
>
>>> pie graph(s) of what % are voting for (BIP 100, BIP 101, 8MB,<= br> >>> BIP sipa
>> etc) based on what's published in blocks.
>
>> If such a vote existed, I would gladly show the pie on BIPxDevs. >> However there is no standard way for miners to vote informally
>> BIP they support.
>
> What about formal votes? Is there a way to visually have them
> appear in a pie chart as the votes become apparent in blocks?
>
> I appreciate good visualizations and am trying to get a (visual)
> comparison of the votes on these competing proposals.
>
>
>
>
>> _______________________________________________ bitcoin-dev
>> mailing list bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation= .org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
>
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and expansion of a giving economy, and a new social good"
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