From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Z4Kvc-0004cL-Bk for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 03:19:16 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.220.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.220.47; envelope-from=wtogami@gmail.com; helo=mail-pa0-f47.google.com; Received: from mail-pa0-f47.google.com ([209.85.220.47]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Z4Kvb-0001RT-1a for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 15 Jun 2015 03:19:16 +0000 Received: by pabqy3 with SMTP id qy3so56390227pab.3 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:19:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.68.98.65 with SMTP id eg1mr43891106pbb.72.1434338349373; Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.93.72 with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jun 2015 20:19:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2015 17:19:09 -1000 Message-ID: From: "Warren Togami Jr." To: Jeff Garzik Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b676f28cd6265051885eb8c X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (wtogami[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1Z4Kvb-0001RT-1a Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Move Bitcoin Dev List to a Neutral Competent Entity X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 03:19:16 -0000 --047d7b676f28cd6265051885eb8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Jeff Garzik wrote: > * ACK on moving away from SourceForge mailing lists - though only once a > community-welcomed replacement is up and running > > * ACK on using LF as a mailing infrastructure provider > > * Research secure mailing list models, for bitcoin-security. The list is > not ultra high security - we all use PGP for that - but it would perhaps be > nice to find some spiffy cryptosystem where mailing list participants > individually hold keys & therefore access. > > While I agree this is a good idea, this should not be a precondition for moving the public bitcoin-dev list. The security team needs to separately research/write tools needed for this. warren, wanna just go ahead and create bitcoin-development @ LF? *More Feedback?* As for going ahead, perhaps we should wait to hear from more of the other technical leaders? *More Questions* *List Name?* Would people prefer "bitcoin-development" for he new list name instead of a shorter name like "bitcoin-dev"? I personally like the shorter name, but either is fine. https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo currently has "sidechains-dev", and "lightning-dev" is moving there sometime soon. *Proposed Cut-Off Date?* Then we also need to agree on a date to cut off the old list. Their sysadmin said we could have the new list auto-post from the old list for a short while. I wonder how well that works ... if that will result in double posting if people write to the new and CC the old list. Needs a little research how well it would behave to have both lists operating during a transition period. I think we should announce a cut-off date when posts to the old list is shut off, July 15th, one month from now. Thoughts? *Moderators?* Mailman on the new server allows having separate logins for admins and moderators. I think the admins of the old SF project are gavin, jgarzik and sipa... they are kind of busy. Perhaps we should identify known trusted community members who can help with moderation. Usually this is dealing with "held" messages that are flagged by the spam filter Warren Togami --047d7b676f28cd6265051885eb8c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On S= un, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:15 AM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@bitpay.com> wrote:
* ACK on moving away fr= om SourceForge mailing lists - though only once a community-welcomed replac= ement is up and running

* ACK on using LF as a mailing = infrastructure provider

* Research secure mailing list m= odels, for bitcoin-security.=C2=A0 The list is not ultra high security - we= all use PGP for that - but it would perhaps be nice to find some spiffy cr= yptosystem where mailing list participants individually hold keys & the= refore access.


W= hile I agree this is a good idea, this should not be a precondition for mov= ing the public bitcoin-dev list.=C2=A0 The security team needs to separatel= y research/write tools needed for this.

<jgarzik> warren, wanna just go ahead and create bitcoin-developmen= t @ LF?=C2=A0

More Feedback?=C2= =A0=C2=A0As for going ahead, perhaps we should wait to hear from more of th= e other technical leaders?

More Questi= ons

List Name? =C2=A0Would people p= refer "bitcoin-development" for he new list name instead of a sho= rter name like "bitcoin-dev"?=C2=A0 I personally like the shorter= name, but either is fine. =C2=A0https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo= currently has "sidechains-dev", and "lightning-dev" is= moving there sometime soon.

Proposed Cut-Off D= ate? =C2=A0Then we also need to agree on a date to cut off the old list= .=C2=A0 Their sysadmin said we could have the new list auto-post from the o= ld list for a short while.=C2=A0 I wonder how well that works ... if that w= ill result in double posting if people write to the new and CC the old list= .=C2=A0 Needs a little research how well it would behave to have both lists= operating during a transition period.=C2=A0 I think we should announce a c= ut-off date when posts to the old list is shut off, July 15th, one month fr= om now.=C2=A0 Thoughts?

Moderators? =C2= =A0Mailman on the new server allows having separate logins for admins and m= oderators.=C2=A0 I think the admins of the old SF project are gavin, jgarzi= k and sipa... they are kind of busy.=C2=A0 Perhaps we should identify known= trusted community members who can help with moderation.=C2=A0 Usually this= is dealing with "held" messages that are flagged by the spam fil= ter

Warren Togami
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