From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC951C0001 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:04:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D104ED55 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:04:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FbJvD75yBVcY for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:04:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-ot1-x32d.google.com (mail-ot1-x32d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::32d]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 714764ED4E for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ot1-x32d.google.com with SMTP id t16so3492651ott.3 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 05:04:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RlrEeweqtfDJpppqizbnnATIzmiEfJI1Djtjn0UF23Q=; b=Vqfjnx3lKsz+zeDDTEWDTDpWvhFnyO4d1b/ah9Jd/xnJYwU1JMIF4l+jID/LJn1ZUb 4FIMLt31KZ8ThEr9IOM/4a++LGLCputWJ4QKj/xWAQn8kEdQKK4+KnN0Q/KUYP/ewuMl sqCTnJNoDhhkHViFLs/f3jmlG3q6eyvLUoq9kQZtyxHTy75lPHxWfEDdblp5x0x+sRqQ zt9VlIuI0+T7Ik0pkxfCAA4HPvgNafSJkPFd1jQSDvimltclpsMACO/ERH2jxY5CPTCL N+nsEgJt1joFBwQt4rFVsibOYxHdxtWtNHR1JVaZoKkcWefzFUo2VPuqJUGHMX3evN9x 2AbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RlrEeweqtfDJpppqizbnnATIzmiEfJI1Djtjn0UF23Q=; b=LQkwF4JzRo2WIA0yJNtcSINhnmnNQnmgCGKMS/Ivp9wG7pKVoPJoRvXzhjRUvP9NPN saWGyEamwpdtepgtcXzpnhOj02/aiciSl4/Hwj/GqKTjJJcpNvxPf48X9Bo+we9N7mEt gjWauJBEaP8I9Gzx16UGiNInGrOrLTIht9FuZp//mlDs9kISflVaT/emcDkHgB3lOkiT /O3n+mL1H1bc1Iu/FRY7EeBCRsMRSmv6h7VnQ8xCU9Uar1/ETdOSxU1NCajhoaLtMIlL NNJeh0ZBkG59uIFHu6PAx3SZ59Gc1AUXcKG6jsA6oun9sP0ME0NeHoKTphzy9p+fSGxF SgFw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5318va40Fok5/dAD0zG6AYYZvDlIJEpW9i0cKFfLvYnk4v1lbsKV YGsdpBVRhYrsM3zqXXtXFonvddsBPWp8B7nhnIs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyu8eHEynXuQk4J3AHCkzw/fdGlXQPGAT8ERtap9rhEBN73yRWRJApcAh03v1pV2OtxSAoaqvHv1A3sM00pMKQ= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:6196:: with SMTP id g22mr3307853otk.74.1615554258421; Fri, 12 Mar 2021 05:04:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: R E Broadley Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:04:05 +0000 Message-ID: To: Keagan McClelland , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 22:02:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 13:04:21 -0000 Can I just point out (to those addressing James as Lord/Excelency/etc that he isn't noble nor a Lord, so just wanted to mention this in case people were giving him more attention than the average person would be afforded. My 2p (an equal 2p) on Taproot is ACK, by the way. On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 at 00:49, Keagan McClelland via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > LORD HIS EXCELLENCY, > > This isn't different with Taproot either. When you spend a P2SH output yo= u reveal the script. In Taproot you reveal the portion of the script that i= s relevant to allowing you to spend it. There is no value to specifying the= other possible conditions that could have moved the coins because, after a= ll, you aren't invoking those clauses to move the coins. I am showing you m= y fingertip, and pointing to my finger tip, the palm is not relevant. > > Keagan > > On Wed, Mar 10, 2021 at 2:11 AM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via bitcoi= n-dev wrote: >> >> Good Afternoon, >> >> You cannot liken the ability to scrutinise the public ledger to be the s= ame as hiding information, it is like showing your palm while you are point= ing at the back of your hand. The advice that I have is P2SH is scrutable o= nce the UTXO is spent. Also, there is no public ledger obfuscation in creat= ing new addresses, there is a plausible reduction in transaction linkage. >> >> KING JAMES HRMH >> Great British Empire >> >> Regards, >> The Australian >> LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH (& HMRH) >> of Hougun Manor & Glencoe & British Empire >> MR. Damian A. James Williamson >> Wills >> >> et al. >> >> >> Willtech >> www.willtech.com.au >> www.go-overt.com >> and other projects >> >> earn.com/willtech >> linkedin.com/in/damianwilliamson >> >> >> m. 0487135719 >> f. +61261470192 >> >> >> This email does not constitute a general advice. Please disregard this e= mail if misdelivered. >> ________________________________ >> From: bitcoin-dev on beh= alf of Ryan Grant via bitcoin-dev >> Sent: Saturday, 6 March 2021 1:04 AM >> To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion >> Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Taproot NACK >> >> On Thu, Mar 4, 2021 at 8:48 PM LORD HIS EXCELLENCY JAMES HRMH via >> bitcoin-dev wrote: >> > My concern was that the more complex scripts allow obfuscation of the = Pay To address >> >> This is no different from options available in P2SH, or from the >> obfuscation achieved by generating a new address for a payment. >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev