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From: Daniel Rice <drice@greenmangosystems.com>
To: Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>,
	Lawrence Nahum <lawrence@greenaddress.it>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] instant confirmation via payment protocol backwards compatible proto buffer extension
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 10:36:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFDyEXiS75rkMY0jQLHSDptpT5YTLACyPfO519KjgNtOe6G=nA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANEZrP3AKLNZmt0YqNNp3-7uVAkaT4oM4GUfN4bPTqxycpq8zg@mail.gmail.com>

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> Supporting it in the protocol is easy. Building such a thing: that's
hard. Decentralised automated reputation systems are complex and subtle.

Bitcoin is valuable as a protocol because it is truly decentralized. The
complexity involved in building this system was expansive, but I think we
can all agree it was worth the trouble. With this particular topic of
instant transactions it seems we have to be very careful about pushing
Bitcoin in a centralized direction for the sake of a simple quick solution.
Building an automated system to solve the instant transaction problem will
be difficult, but also well worth the effort, and exactly like you're
saying Mike, I just want to make sure the door is left open protocol wise
for a robust solution in the future.


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:09 AM, Mike Hearn <mike@plan99.net> wrote:

> I think that's true if you assume that the instant provider list is based
>> on a by hand created list of accepted instant providers. That's how VISA
>> works now and that's why I was asking for an approach where the
>> trusted_instant_providers list is scalable because that seems very
>> dangerous.
>>
>
> Supporting it in the protocol is easy. Building such a thing: that's hard.
> Decentralised automated reputation systems are complex and subtle.
>
> I don't feel strongly about whether the field should be "optional" or
> "repeated", 100% of implementations in the forseeable future would just
> look at the first item and ignore the rest. But if later someone did crack
> this problem it would lead to a simple upgrade path. So perhaps you're
> right and the protobuf should allow multiple signatures. It means a new
> sub-message to wrap the pki_type, pki_data and signature fields into one,
> and then making that repeated.
>
> Up to Lawrence.
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-19 17:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-06-14 12:00 [Bitcoin-development] instant confirmation via payment protocol backwards compatible proto buffer extension Lawrence Nahum
2014-06-14 12:57 ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-06-15  9:22   ` Lawrence Nahum
2014-06-15 12:46     ` Andreas Schildbach
2014-06-15 14:09       ` Lawrence Nahum
2014-06-18 12:09       ` Lawrence Nahum
2014-06-18 13:25         ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-18 15:59           ` Daniel Rice
2014-06-18 16:09             ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-19 17:36               ` Daniel Rice [this message]
2014-06-25 14:01         ` sebastien requiem
2014-06-16 12:19 ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-16 12:25   ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-16 15:09   ` Daniel Rice
2014-06-16 15:26     ` Lawrence Nahum
2014-06-16 16:00       ` Daniel Rice
2014-06-16 16:07         ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-16 15:41     ` Paul Goldstein
2014-06-16 15:48       ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-16 16:30         ` Lawrence Nahum
2014-06-16 16:45           ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-16 16:56             ` Lawrence Nahum
2014-06-16 17:01               ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-16 17:16                 ` Lawrence Nahum
2014-06-16 18:02                   ` Alex Kotenko
2014-06-16 18:09                     ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-16 20:29                       ` Daniel Rice
2014-06-16 20:32                         ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-16 20:37                           ` Daniel Rice
2014-06-16 20:46                             ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-16 20:53                               ` Daniel Rice
2014-06-16 20:55                                 ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-16 20:50                             ` [Bitcoin-development] Fidelity bonds for decentralized instant confirmation guarantees Peter Todd
2014-06-16 21:02                         ` [Bitcoin-development] instant confirmation via payment protocol backwards compatible proto buffer extension Daniel Rice
2014-06-16 20:32                       ` Alex Kotenko
2014-06-16 17:44                 ` Jorge Timón
2014-06-17 15:58                 ` Isidor Zeuner
2014-06-18  1:39         ` Tom Harding
2014-06-17 15:58     ` Isidor Zeuner
2014-06-18  9:15       ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-18 20:47       ` Natanael
2014-06-18  2:01     ` Tom Harding
2014-06-16 15:28   ` Lawrence Nahum
2014-06-16 15:43     ` Mike Hearn
2014-06-16 17:05       ` Lawrence Nahum
2014-06-16  8:53 Daniel Rice

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