From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F3CB409 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:39:15 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A9B111E5 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:39:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obkg7 with SMTP id g7so79370227obk.3 for ; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 06:39:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=DOLEc1ZV/6LrLleQxVyqMWc//IkZsONB1jBMKTlZdWI=; b=l5IqhMGRwGkI4PQDCdmCUZv2rT6OhLKzi//BeqlfsUBJeaqObTNOAgD+uKtGpM4iBt qgd8YoLnSgZD0hPPyOWJYKgmrqJO613V4HxfkfbcaGOBCsBze1oF8YmWSp3RkgAtIJik 13JtuwQljS9gW+V5Cq3e1whL98Nt0FLjjPOd/fst5ZGFKBITswse3kvbsd2Q++hs2q2M W0gSppZlWeCTlyzDllU6mGFGcR5QW8mVI6X4YqObJPQO134d96lrkUTbRiE8Ia2ZU5RX CmgfOQiVdtquyWG3vnak/eY7k3PHCWJrokTgiccDvWX/jB8FnBpJeInZgJ/6eZ3FDyRD OYqw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.109.230 with SMTP id hv6mr12781871obb.22.1440250754005; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 06:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.202.172.138 with HTTP; Sat, 22 Aug 2015 06:39:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150821130333.Horde.9zPFmy3VMqAO5FGReDHaRg1@www.vfemail.net> References: <20150821130333.Horde.9zPFmy3VMqAO5FGReDHaRg1@www.vfemail.net> Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 09:39:13 -0400 Message-ID: From: David Vorick To: sisadm101@clovermail.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c31b4e948192051de682e7 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Censorship X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 13:39:15 -0000 --001a11c31b4e948192051de682e7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I am not sure that this is on-topic for the bitcoin-dev mailing list, but it seems politically relevant enough that I'm going to respond. /r/bitcoin and bitcointalk.org are both discussion websites that pertain to a specific topic. All (or nearly all) discussion websites pertaining to a specific topic have a set of rules that get enforced to facilitate relevant and interesting discussion. These rules help to block spam, and help to make sure that discussions happen in their appropriate places. The rules in place on the two primary bitcoin discussion sites have helped facilitate a large userbase frequented by many relevant experts. I do believe that we can thank the strict moderation policies for much of the activity that happens which is technically interesting. /r/bitcoin and bitcointalk.org are both centralized forums. As such, the rules are going to be set by a centralized authority. The rules set have been set to keep the discussion as interesting and relevant as possible. When a certain theme becomes a massive echo chamber or little more than beating a dead horse, it makes sense to implement moderation. Calling it 'censorship' is misleading, because a government authority is not threatening punishment for the discussion of a certain topic. People are not banned from visiting forums or websites where off-topic (or against-the-rules) discussion is happening. People's /r/bitcoin rights are not being revoked because they are subscribed to a controvertial subreddit. That would be censorship. Many people are clearly unhappy with the moderation happening on /r/bitcoin and bitcointalk.org. Luckily, the switching cost for online discussion forums is very low. I'm now going to invite people to post links to bitcoin discussion forums where the moderation authority is different. I know that a recently popular subreddit is /r/bitcoin_uncensored I am interested to see what other forums people think are worth mentioning. --001a11c31b4e948192051de682e7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am not sure that this is on-topic for the bitc= oin-dev mailing list, but it seems politically relevant enough that I'm= going to respond.

/r/bitcoin and bitcointalk.org are both discussion websites that pertain t= o a specific topic. All (or nearly all) discussion websites pertaining to a= specific topic have a set of rules that get enforced to facilitate relevan= t and interesting discussion. These rules help to block spam, and help to m= ake sure that discussions happen in their appropriate places. The rules in = place on the two primary bitcoin discussion sites have helped facilitate a = large userbase frequented by many relevant experts. I do believe that we ca= n thank the strict moderation policies for much of the activity that happen= s which is technically interesting.

/r/bitcoin and bitcointalk.org are both centralized forum= s. As such, the rules are going to be set by a centralized authority. The r= ules set have been set to keep the discussion as interesting and relevant a= s possible. When a certain theme becomes a massive echo chamber or little m= ore than beating a dead horse, it makes sense to implement moderation. Call= ing it 'censorship' is misleading, because a government authority i= s not threatening punishment for the discussion of a certain topic. People = are not banned from visiting forums or websites where off-topic (or against= -the-rules) discussion is happening. People's /r/bitcoin rights are not= being revoked because they are subscribed to a controvertial subreddit. Th= at would be censorship.

Many people are clearly unhappy w= ith the moderation happening on /r/bitcoin and bitcointalk.org. Luckily, the switching cost for online discussi= on forums is very low. I'm now going to invite people to post links to = bitcoin discussion forums where the moderation authority is different.
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I know that a recently popular subreddit is /r/bitcoin_uncens= ored

I am interested to see what other forums people thin= k are worth mentioning.
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