From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEACAC000D for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:30:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E10040280 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:30:45 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QGbiz5QFR6NS for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:30:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-yb1-xb32.google.com (mail-yb1-xb32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5F1FC40264 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:30:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-xb32.google.com with SMTP id c206so20097901ybb.12 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 05:30:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PVrAS3mfMyhbTKj1GQ7ylDRB0e4km363nwSLFtFDAF0=; b=R12wXZfsmF34z4nzGYic6/TO6mdq+rOJ7h05Qaez8g1LP72hSmpvkjWbwWpYw5qhZa 0eIQC7nRasck6GXMiAVOFRkwBOHfZNSNnydz9ITWe6zHcKThrqfVaHOKmzyE54EuRUKE OcKsVlMkPZ5EnqRb9zPvPAL5rxQ+DGqg3lQoJxGPUiA1WHvgC/r8ZEnPRZ2FCWeFuDwX mX8NhTlSb5fJ7AnrRnLvivU3GFQll70pEBrvNd7IQkWdzM2UEgSNvUCvqNkJYKuqYZkF MAWjqoQP7YD07oww9rfsPWPGH2kLIwkTU+8ijjctFHvC1gjvr2IOb/RgFEkitC2iIiJV h+/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=PVrAS3mfMyhbTKj1GQ7ylDRB0e4km363nwSLFtFDAF0=; b=BSG1iaVREWaB61DgEJCCHyS7Onq3NGAwxqkylreQSH5hVL7nxOb4GD68D3IziCi7nW aUoXXCDG9UFp/6Lyq303q8BN+dHIHMNparJ2CArji+vOZ8h6UKzOSvHn3M/UrWlfpAfE JY7ZWf2Ed0ES35MdA/KnsK+ZwVCzKtMOGAIlwlgVHPh7lLI5VxU7f0tE3ny20ce1kKkA Hew1UPGPF6nPQ6WKK91GUJR+cEOCUfRnPW7FvdyCrMAAuDwVkkH5VhOEeIPm/LTtZ7Ka 6t7q2wP3b0/9stVErys/owz4ANeUr9M+7LqeGo8BLFg8Bw9qCYbsNMoYZ3scPIxkkAVn 88FA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5306GiQPzvfVCtd+wff8IoxbBzyZKZTIiNBmb2DNDQn1wwTRYB8d IJUWNdc4mtoFeK0ctWMPa1bKv1q5X0pwo73TmFDjjedGPc4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwwidLAcHzDZ9t9PaWKjSbBEq/e4r/gGwBCjap4Wqq923J/UF8mAjAznnzE9N8rAgrol2G4aY+ii6k9VlJYBmI= X-Received: by 2002:a25:606:: with SMTP id 6mr14259388ybg.387.1631536242077; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 05:30:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael Folkson Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 13:30:31 +0100 Message-ID: To: Matt Corallo , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:38:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Reorgs on SigNet - Looking for feedback on approach and parameters X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 12:30:45 -0000 > Can you explain the motivation for this? From where I sit, as far as I kn= ow, I should basically be > a prime example of the target market for public= signet - someone developing bitcoin applications > with regular requiremen= ts to test those applications with other developers without > jumping through hoops to configure software the same across the globe and= set up miners. > With blocks > being slow and irregular, I=E2=80=99m basically not benefit= ed at all by signet and will > stick with testnet3/mainnet testing, which both suck. On testnet3 you can realistically go days without blocks being found (and conversely thousands of blocks can be found in a day), the block discovery time variance is huge. Of course this is probabilistically possible on mainnet too but the probability of this happening is close to zero. Here[0] is an example of 16,000 blocks being found in a day on testnet3. On signet block discovery time variance mirrors mainnet. On mainnet you are risking Bitcoin with actual monetary value. If you don't mind doing this then you don't need testnet3, signet or anything else. In addition proposed soft forks may be activated on signet (and could also be on testnet3) well before they are considered for activation on mainnet for testing and experimentation purposes. [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20160910173004/https://blog.blocktrail.com/= 2015/04/in-the-darkest-depths-of-testnet3-16k-blocks-were-found-in-1-day/ --=20 Michael Folkson Email: michaelfolkson@gmail.com Keybase: michaelfolkson PGP: 43ED C999 9F85 1D40 EAF4 9835 92D6 0159 214C FEE3