From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651A8C0001 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2021 19:30:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE7747179 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2021 19:30:00 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.103, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TWMKypiUCbE9 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2021 19:29:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 05:17:27 by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com (mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b2f]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3F4E54710A for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2021 19:29:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yb1-xb2f.google.com with SMTP id u3so25789463ybk.6 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2021 11:29:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=psO6aidjHPkzk8bnRnYF1zC2ckZpA8kOBpS27R8zhBU=; b=cGbNP+mrmYjl8SyMeYCEfij9cny7EXOBIiOUTw1tn5HbzPGmMFJh9ZDVr6ian/x5St yfDxZqr3s3noSkPCQylbreNBe57WyAIqzkp7lJX2KVcpNz7p4hp15SKeC0AvIgJ1QS2X z1OGthiXsI3XS+e99xvrCnOEKIHaIXTiFp2Rs7vAjsCBs68AcPCUM1jj2QquMmm6NHa0 dPdNzLAyTyOcueMAQwOKJAa16NvyeClBzjCLrn+NH4Qhpa/kz+C/2OvGJEpuY2Yb4xIO Mdp8agKf7I6+ZqnZN9KqJfI3ThGS6HO4549A4pZGCI8W3u0x5iEifHdYYAgiUb1NVcEY h8QA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=psO6aidjHPkzk8bnRnYF1zC2ckZpA8kOBpS27R8zhBU=; b=X1Xqbm3w581u7+xyWWhtMfZwm9xPFGAKelq3BYsDRxsTcTRUXSVQUvpOVxp/A7O10m DdM2PpHr4K2I/RsmRWKg9XQkaxvD2QnT6c00dEDvwpcPy4h3H4tpnpiqgjFjZSNh6mns mIuAF9v2bfWzlqR5yF9L2KONm3XhQ7GV5ymMbb3u3sbcbf4+IMNn1qv06vw4jP58JfRE JTB2juGAwcfOWr/kWl5uvrfQnXjMpi8EYMeJQ0hQ732gpzXXGTq+QWb1bgJJGkBvtNMn 8WqwAUHKJyWJEomxsG37mdp0KXtGh3R2qA+76nwHe2VHzcG5a0mZcoPyu6jYpKxn7ohU ubhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533TrME0GJSOQILxt40nDCsaXd51eF3E5KzMxqGtZzh70IMpfQAe LEaHo11xtes7t0HM+x83tktoMtDBvSTH1BKA0sLlUgw3hTkv7g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyukzW1Alqowwf2ARZGZQyOx6dXVXrLv7KFMIB0ER+pKmqtbQhhusWoVsRBd6rCbAI1AA+TA4StVphB2gcjLNg= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7412:: with SMTP id n18mr22420587otk.294.1614773712880; Wed, 03 Mar 2021 04:15:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Michael Folkson Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 12:15:02 +0000 Message-ID: To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 03 Mar 2021 20:23:10 +0000 Subject: [bitcoin-dev] =?utf-8?b?WWVzdGVyZGF54oCZcyBVQVNGIChMT1Q9dHJ1ZSkg?= =?utf-8?q?kick_off_meeting?= X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2021 19:30:00 -0000 Yesterday we held a UASF (LOT=3Dtrue) kick off meeting on the ##uasf IRC ch= annel. The conversation log is here: http://gnusha.org/uasf/2021-03-02.log It was announced (at short notice admittedly) here: https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-March/018515.h= tml It is clear frustration is building but it is also clear that this isn=E2=80=99t a conducive environment for development and review. The high level activation discussion has been done to death. Barring a miracle the only thing Core will ship is BIP 8 (1 year, LOT=3Dfalse). The alternative appears Core ships nothing. At this point in time it also appears the greatest risk to Taproot dying a slow death is a small group of developers who think talking in conservative tones and talking about endless philosophy makes Bitcoin a conservative system. (It doesn=E2=80=99t, it just makes it a dying, decay= ing one). We have a trillion dollar industry (all signed up to this upgrade) wasting time monitoring these arguments rather than preparing for an upgrade and preparing for the small but manageable risks that any such upgrade entails later in the year. Development projects on hold because there is no end in sight for Taproot activation. We need to give miners and users the ability to activate this year (2021). If we fail to do that through whatever means (Core, UASF release) etc I personally will assume Taproot will never activate. I will also assume Bitcoin is not a project for the incredibly able people who have designed and shipped a complex upgrade (Taproot) that miraculously has overwhelming consensus amongst the entire community. Failing to ship activation code (a very small code change in comparison) is a joke. We need to get this done this year. A UASF (LOT=3Dtrue) project needs to be ready to assemble just like it was in 2017 to make sure a small group of individuals don=E2=80=99t block progress. But Core also needs to b= e given the opportunity to ship a BIP 8(1 year, LOT=3Dfalse) activation that can be used to activate this year that is as well reviewed and well tested as any other Core consensus code change. Once things have calmed down I think we should revisit what progress has been made and take it from there. --=20 Michael Folkson Email: michaelfolkson@gmail.com Keybase: michaelfolkson PGP: 43ED C999 9F85 1D40 EAF4 9835 92D6 0159 214C FEE3