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[2607:f8b0:4864:20::42d]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 46e09a7af769-7388a0601e5si361161a34.4.2025.06.09.08.56.21 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Jun 2025 08:56:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of michaelfolkson@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::42d as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::42d; Received: by mail-pf1-x42d.google.com with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-74800b81f1bso3382241b3a.1 for ; Mon, 09 Jun 2025 08:56:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Gg: ASbGnct4Clcd8OJ/AZYod77tYTjZg4gy2WG5CRjYbpQaf1Y0yWWKMNZP26DyV2Vv/nJ 40q0tvrdUq4lkeGIgmQ+hqVlrB/j40tbRAGFbnlhNEh/EPxz11zC/tQHkU8jSe61Segq6G/Bj7x rDJ19cWMZyXRteTTyS/AMYlIvuSA5Ue1mpWpCRDOwM8l0jP7WRo/etj7wmbKZYu0ZQdc+mVYPgH v9M X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:2e1a:b0:748:2f8e:cd47 with SMTP id d2e1a72fcca58-7482f8ed071mr14704660b3a.23.1749484580513; Mon, 09 Jun 2025 08:56:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Michael Folkson Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2025 18:56:08 +0300 X-Gm-Features: AX0GCFtzWWdqgPAfqzqfsisqkVAyj7KcRI1nKMIpDj5V77YOsq32uFIRZETMg50 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] CTV + CSFS: a letter To: "James O'Beirne" Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Sender: michaelfolkson@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=VUdn1How; spf=pass (google.com: domain of michaelfolkson@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::42d as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelfolkson@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com; dara=pass header.i=@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > I have consistently supported CTV for upwards of 3 years now. This should be pretty clear based on a cursory read of my VAULT BIP's introduction: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0345.mediawiki#introduction Sure but CTV has never been enough for what you personally want to do (your flavor of vaults). You need OP_VAULT, OP_CCV or OP_CSFS right? I don't mean to be a smart ass, I know how fiendishly difficult and frustrating this covenants maze is with so many subtly different views. But I think it is a fair challenge to try to understand exactly what you want/need and whether you're going to want CCV etc in addition at a later date or not. Thanks Michael On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 5:41=E2=80=AFPM James O'Beirne wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 9, 2025 at 8:51=E2=80=AFAM Michael Folkson wrote: > > Having read that I assumed you would be working on CCV so I'm quite > > surprised that a month later you're now proposing that CTV and CSFS be > > prepared for activation. > > I have consistently supported CTV for upwards of 3 years now. This should > be pretty clear based on a cursory read of my VAULT BIP's introduction: > https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0345.mediawiki#introducti= on > > In fact, I was at one point listed as a co-author because I was championi= ng > it: https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pull/1482 > > I like CCV, but in my opinion it needs more time to be scrutinized by the > community. > > Best, > James --=20 Michael Folkson Personal email: michaelfolkson@gmail.com --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/= CAFvNmHSQDkR9L7SAu95FmfASdrdjFPUmohEncjNcPHx2q4_9Fw%40mail.gmail.com.