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From: Nick Johnson <nick@ethereum.org>
To: Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Replay attacks make BIP148 and BIP149 untennable
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2017 17:35:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFz7pMvk5acuXRXPiMwo63A=RgdnhFXrMWmED3JLXXP5BPMf6g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F9930B98-BBCC-4B4D-B938-AE2CFB7721AD@taoeffect.com>

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On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 5:27 PM Tao Effect <contact@taoeffect.com> wrote:

> Nick,
>
> Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the DAO hard
> fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not edited.
>
>
> This sort of email is unhelpful to this conversation, and it certainly
> doesn't help with the perception that Ethereum is nothing but a bunch of
> hypocritical Bankers 2.0.
>


>
> Everyone knows you didn't edit Ethereum Classic, but the the hard fork,
> which was re-branded as Ethereum, was edited.
>

That's not what I was suggesting. My point is that the ledger was never
edited. An 'irregular state change' was added at a specific block height,
but the ledger remains inviolate.

I'm sure I don't have to explain the difference between the ledger and the
state to you, or why it's significant that the ledger wasn't (and can't be,
practically) modified.

-Nick


> - Greg
>
> --
> Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with
> the NSA.
>
> On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:25 AM, Nick Johnson <nick@ethereum.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 12:02 AM Gregory Maxwell via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 10:39 PM, Tao Effect via bitcoin-dev
>> <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>> > I believe the severity of replay attacks is going unvoiced and is not
>> > understood within the bitcoin community because of their lack of
>> experience
>> > with them.
>>
>> Please don't insult our community-- the issues with replay were
>> pointed out by us to Ethereum in advance and were cited specifically
>> in prior hardfork discussions long before Ethereum started editing
>> their ledger for the economic benefit of its centralized
>> administrators.
>
>
> Please don't spread misinformation. Whatever you think of the DAO hard
> fork, it's a simple fact that the Ethereum ledger was not edited.
>
> -Nick Johnson
>
>
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-07 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-06 22:39 [bitcoin-dev] Replay attacks make BIP148 and BIP149 untennable Tao Effect
2017-06-06 23:02 ` Gregory Maxwell
2017-06-06 23:12   ` Tao Effect
2017-06-07 13:25   ` Nick Johnson
2017-06-07 16:27     ` Tao Effect
2017-06-07 17:35       ` Nick Johnson [this message]
2017-06-08  5:44         ` Conner Fromknecht
2017-06-08  6:38           ` Nick Johnson
2017-06-06 23:08 ` Luke Dashjr
2017-06-06 23:19   ` Tao Effect
2017-06-06 23:20 ` Anthony Towns
2017-06-06 23:27   ` Tao Effect
2017-06-06 23:31     ` Tao Effect
2017-06-06 23:59     ` Kekcoin
2017-06-07  0:04       ` Tao Effect
2017-06-07  0:19         ` Kekcoin
2017-06-07  0:26           ` Tao Effect
2017-06-07  0:29             ` Kekcoin
2017-06-07  0:38               ` Tao Effect
2017-06-07  0:46                 ` Kekcoin
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2017-06-06 20:43 Tao Effect

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