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From: William Yager <will.yager@gmail.com>
To: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>,
	 Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Encrypt bitcoin messages
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:19:43 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG8oi1MpMVqp_Am6aj=hLV5z-CfY7HNSuMQ6k4uVscM=aKsOYA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e8baf847-6829-4d0f-85fb-5fd194ae9054@email.android.com>

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On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 8:14 PM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> wrote:

>
> Don't let perfect be the enemy of good.
>

I'm not. I don't think this proposal is even good.


> You realize that by your own definition even the NSA is mostly a "weak
> passive attacker" They do *not* have the ability to attack more than a
> small, targeted, subset of connection for both technical and political
> reasons. For starters, MITM attacks are easily detected - "Bitcoin network
> attacked by unknown agents! Has your ISP been compromised?" would make for
> great headlines and would soon see the problem fixed both technically and
> politically.
>
>
Again, the NSA might get an absolutely trivial amount of data from
monitoring connections on the Bitcoin network. A bit of publicity is *not*
worth drastically increasing the software complexity of the client.


> In any case, my suggestion of enabling hidden service support by default
> adds both encryption and reasonably good authentication.


Enabling hidden service support by default would introduce an insanely huge
attack surface.

And you're conflating two different things; using Tor is valuable to
Bitcoin because it would provide some anonymity. The encryption aspect is
pretty much useless for us.

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  reply	other threads:[~2014-08-20  1:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <CA+8=xuJ+YDTNjyDW7DvP8KPN_nrFWpE68HvLw6EokFa-B-QGKw@mail.gmail.com>
2014-08-19  9:49 ` [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: Encrypt bitcoin messages Raúl Martínez
     [not found]   ` <0C0EF7F9-DBBA-4872-897D-63CFA3853726@ricmoo.com>
2014-08-19 15:11     ` Raúl Martínez
2014-08-19 15:30       ` Richard Moore
2014-08-19 16:07         ` Justus Ranvier
2014-08-19 16:38           ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-08-19 16:58             ` Angel Leon
2014-08-19 17:19               ` Christophe Biocca
2014-08-19 17:35             ` Johnathan Corgan
2014-08-19 23:38               ` J Ross Nicoll
2014-08-19 23:39                 ` Justus Ranvier
2014-08-19 23:54                   ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-08-19 23:40                 ` Jeff Garzik
2014-08-20  0:16                   ` Peter Todd
2014-08-20  0:21                     ` Jeff Garzik
2014-08-20  0:41                       ` Peter Todd
2014-08-20  0:59                         ` William Yager
2014-08-20  1:14                           ` Peter Todd
2014-08-20  1:19                             ` William Yager [this message]
2014-08-20  1:27                               ` Peter Todd
2014-08-20  0:49                     ` Justus Ranvier
2014-08-20  0:57                       ` Peter Todd
2014-08-23 16:17                   ` xor
2014-08-23 16:50                     ` Justus Ranvier
2014-08-23 17:50                       ` Troy Benjegerdes
2014-08-23 18:22                         ` William Yager
2014-08-23 18:44                           ` Mike Hearn
2014-08-23 19:02                             ` Luke Dashjr
2014-08-23 22:51                               ` Peter Todd
     [not found] <c45a638f1e1640fe84bef01d12cda4c3@hotmail.com>
2014-08-20  3:23 ` Un Ix
2014-08-20  5:40   ` Cameron Garnham
2014-08-20 14:37     ` Mike Hearn
2014-08-23  6:39       ` Troy Benjegerdes

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