From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1E9C3259 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:06:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ua0-f169.google.com (mail-ua0-f169.google.com [209.85.217.169]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18C08141 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:06:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ua0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 34so268995338uac.1 for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2017 13:05:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ilZpVVnUOuxGXX2dj+CaiBKgZ3ZAQfmm8dwIkQaXDLg=; b=OhJI2hR33RGUUjgmn43LSCZsjMaPo0si7pWvhllOEhpjAnyBYYBL1lTJ5JlOBA0UH1 GGsjptoyHIT//J4ktaKmGhqzE58S0Kmkrne9AeWKFY1fwuHS+T7XhIYOxs3dmvLI/G9q oJvdSS5a6tcXe7lKdI3sg0xYP8F0aDp/bDiwpSa6pSgi/g+3SXsyTWhza/ZyQ7YU1qFc Pz5F7tNxQfQHAM27/42nSL64DNfBE8jfqIycuHdJqRr/18wINHjrCsPeajjswoSGxqHp IJQAppJA96ZW39UOSn4Io8u2d8+t/cNJiqJB0suRQ+HMhz4ucSpnP1Rv7VGr9wYqQu7S lbXg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ilZpVVnUOuxGXX2dj+CaiBKgZ3ZAQfmm8dwIkQaXDLg=; b=gjtCqoyixdNBqeIv9hxGZ1R45G/6JGC1fGdS+KinEZIJkDl1PzwHWSRMMFa6dHVAYq elLzAIcaTQ84UeDy+AV4Li1l4SNNmf5rXSUcAiCAQN6j3PAGSU4GgWvLZwVR4v0vOsBy FJ7Z5GMQB6lwkRNyOWG+ZpqH4OcGWiTkJcjCgfeNlNBPCRmQ0/Q7JGy59CCA2ZV/J7c6 2ohOfB7Tx3uZirKV7QX5TRFxiR5MEShtLsjMXMBD1sjDQJqoklqlg6YbFZG1dnWLocNb FN0UqrAI5KMQgQE11hkulmhclEUWuKNYI7ebL0EwBeMbvKkI5QlKDQU690rj1f5pfS9p o+jA== X-Gm-Message-State: AIkVDXLIyScC51Vhkffw7cgWr+dIqftJFOjWiPW0mYqrZyGuYj5fSUaAOiNmiE+iHo04gzbT0/YpAPZwgj96iQ== X-Received: by 10.176.0.169 with SMTP id 38mr46934453uaj.34.1483391159256; Mon, 02 Jan 2017 13:05:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.49.144 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2017 13:05:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1944321.hguq3JoYe1@cherry> References: <2273244.fZU5ULDz4l@cherry> <1944321.hguq3JoYe1@cherry> From: "t. khan" Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 16:05:58 -0500 Message-ID: To: Tom Zander Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c169da1c4bc7054522ebe2 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIP - 'Block75' - New algorithm X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 21:06:01 -0000 --001a11c169da1c4bc7054522ebe2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Tom Zander wrote: > If the input of your math is completely free and human created, how does it > follow that it was math that created it ? > Why do you want it math created anyway? The beauty of math is that everyone on the planet agrees how it works. Everything in Bitcoin is math, with the exception of the blocksize limit (1MB) which was a stop-gap solution at the time. > A maximum is needed, yes. But does it have to be part of the protocol? > A simple policy which is set by node operators (reject block if greater > than > X bytes) will solve this just fine, no? No. That would be an epic disaster. There's no such thing as a "simple policy" when humans are involved. Obviously no one would agree on what X bytes would be and you'd have some nodes rejecting blocks that others already accepted. - t.k. --001a11c169da1c4bc7054522ebe2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 3:35 PM, Tom Zander <tomz@freedommail.ch&= gt; wrote:
If the input of your ma= th is completely free and human created, how does it
follow that it was math that created it ?
Why do you want it math created anyway?

The= beauty of math is that everyone on the planet agrees how it works. Everyth= ing in Bitcoin is math, with the exception of the blocksize limit (1MB) whi= ch was a stop-gap solution at the time.
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A maximum is needed, yes. But does it have to be part of = the protocol?
A simple policy which is set by node operators (reject block if greater tha= n
X bytes) will solve this just fine, no?

No.= That would be an epic disaster. There's no such thing as a "simpl= e policy" when humans are involved. Obviously no one would agree on wh= at X bytes would be and you'd have some nodes rejecting blocks that oth= ers already accepted.
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- t.k.
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