From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BD75B982 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2017 21:23:21 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-vk0-f53.google.com (mail-vk0-f53.google.com [209.85.213.53]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 506551AE for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2017 21:23:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vk0-f53.google.com with SMTP id k127so34711262vke.0 for ; Sat, 04 Feb 2017 13:23:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LLf3RxAbeCr4nGUe+8br2vK/Mv8PC1cg2uS8eq/T7UE=; b=PojaI+qJZB8zCIJH9Lc1GN7UnnJ7ogVyIdyR1OBAdxt70bw35KeNHtv4pmxBXJn9VI MDvX3zTe7vD58CaSYYp3BY6uDKHYXJBfu8gZ3MttXAhzxRPVgIGoNt3NGqtq+QJHqSw4 ++bRGD1ouCmoApORzzxEcWk0s45ztuQxHge3yf1pUNZIj1gM0C/5Pr4mUJlxQqWfbUIp YmUT+bey7GyFhoQv7fxUSZo5S6vSs8RiWP6jffH5yBsH5iwzzKRZ5rMvFHvylTOuo1xo iKlyH85UBlz2ZIzvVGKhlRDeL2SYtEVn3fUus9XBERdFByxy5veWt/yI/LaHvqZFpmjA Hl/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LLf3RxAbeCr4nGUe+8br2vK/Mv8PC1cg2uS8eq/T7UE=; b=fycpxJR1Mzc6dQBXJ/o1/AAAvMTH9XB560XLNIlPKwq0nOzxsM4AzH3OCzSYeDvohE fCDhbg3O9A3sugpoblz70HcVqDQoPuwheWYoY0L+ut5GKl3TtCHD6sdlB/w6OhJEUw+n NjfzyLCdLHOqX5AF7EoP3/kmqUtVybyC+zGdKvTxeAUd9s/J8sLwd362OwWEvg8WZ1or 3RGASub3qWPBI5cbDW57WqVlvMM4HtstD13tVWCm9oKRat9HFWlhcfwVaNV7JaMRrIbb whWAPQDget4N2pv6CvfALzSfe/rRrI/j2CnANxQ0fvl9sbK+Y7e8CjtNJIFSxc+ITV9V vqjw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMke39kePNLhRzaDELua4rdNmrMmdQM2tCG9Y6Ubr12UbAYhT+HJaKEm4k49a6MtojfOoWGkOjqLLFLF7ckGxQ== X-Received: by 10.31.142.68 with SMTP id q65mr1626991vkd.83.1486243400438; Sat, 04 Feb 2017 13:23:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.49.77 with HTTP; Sat, 4 Feb 2017 13:23:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <201702030024.10232.luke@dashjr.org> From: "t. khan" Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2017 16:23:19 -0500 Message-ID: To: alp alp Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143703aeedac40547bb0184 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=no version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 05 Feb 2017 15:32:56 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Pre-BIP] Community Consensus Voting System X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2017 21:23:21 -0000 --001a1143703aeedac40547bb0184 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:22 PM, alp alp wrote: > These are non-answers. Someone must decide. Someone must decide what > kind of company counts (e.g. does a dark market seller count as a > business? Does some guy who sells $10/year worth of goods using Bitcoin > count the same as large companies like Coinbase/BitPay/Blockstream). > Someone must decide which websites are checked for votes or addresses. > Someone must decide if a rogue employee made a transaction on behalf of t= he > company or not. > The less centralized decision making there is, the better. All confirmed votes will be added to each BIP, so everyone can make their own decision as to whether or not they want to count it. Remember, this is about gauging community support. Rogue employees?: The company in question would have to deal with that. > Registering domain names is trivial and can be automated if the incentive= s > were needed for it. > Mountains out of mole hills here=E2=80=94if the domain name is registered a= fter voting is called, that would be a pretty clear indicator it's a fake company. > You mention developers who have commit access. This excludes the vast > majority of developers. You also don't mention which repositories count. > Do the developers of bcoin count or not? > After further consideration, and as the goal of this is to determine what the community will support, developers won't have a confirmed vote. They would get a standard vote though, just like everyone else. --001a1143703aeedac40547bb0184 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Fri, Feb 3, 2017 at 2:22 PM, alp alp = <alp.bitcoin@= gmail.com> wrote:
These are non= -answers.=C2=A0 Someone must decide.=C2=A0 Someone must decide what kind of= company counts (e.g. does a dark market seller count as a business?=C2=A0 = Does some guy who sells $10/year worth of goods using Bitcoin count the sam= e as large companies like Coinbase/BitPay/Blockstream).=C2=A0 Someone must = decide which websites are checked for votes or addresses.=C2=A0 Someone mus= t decide if a rogue employee made a transaction on behalf of the company or= not.

The less centralized decision m= aking there is, the better. All confirmed votes will be added to each BIP, = so everyone can make their own decision as to whether or not they want to c= ount it. Remember, this is about gauging community support.

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Rogue employees?: The company in question would have to deal with= that.
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Registering domain names is trivial and can be automated if the ince= ntives were needed for it.

= Mountains out of mole hills here=E2=80=94if the domain name is registered a= fter voting is called, that would be a pretty clear indicator it's a fa= ke company.
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You mention developers who have commit access.=C2=A0 This exc= ludes the vast majority of developers.=C2=A0 You also don't mention whi= ch repositories count.=C2=A0 Do the developers of bcoin count or not?

After further consideration, and= as the goal of this is to determine what the community will support, devel= opers won't have a confirmed vote. They would get a standard vote thoug= h, just like everyone else.

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