From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 95BD79A for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 04:56:49 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6131118D for ; Tue, 18 Aug 2015 04:56:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbhe7 with SMTP id he7so131235961obb.0 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:56:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=8VRy/4Uai2jFTTGViQdTp9ZUT+hbUaF9d+HZXd9czOk=; b=mebVbhzw/ej61c9ZChA/5oi9qeLiREm4flv1ChLFQWoyD1lYjlP6z5NOo1R5NCcYuv 2JfnbgR1ZX6nCj8o1pg1m7IY1Zziu+HOi5/O4UeMvpclgXzydJm3k1N4nRPaivVjh4Xy XHy0XZJmbHnGxc0dVKmCnmvhNGo2vNCLeyea71Gcs38Ipjq94YHMje7hBOEoC9BQMT3D ACnQDYAogcfWCwuFNR9N1xQ269mb6fn3qdYPQYvK1kcScPxBYsF2/zcXprdMjBbNSUI9 lOS/iYQgRtHupVXVpROj8O5bKBpBUGVlSe+lCyVEY7K0q/sEksiQQmLR5+2hQiAtEolc qNpA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.60.159.196 with SMTP id xe4mr4107193oeb.23.1439873807715; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:56:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: dscotese@gmail.com Received: by 10.202.175.1 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:56:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 21:56:47 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: jmZJzw8ODenDXfRoGJyG8IRJKEk Message-ID: From: Dave Scotese To: bitdev@theochino.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6c488d49388051d8ebe9a X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2015 04:56:49 -0000 --047d7bd6c488d49388051d8ebe9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 At http://media.scmagazine.com/documents/127/virtual_currency_rules_31557.pdf, section 200.3(c)(2) lists "consumers that utilize Virtual Currency solely for the purchase or sale of goods or services or for investment purposes" as "Persons [who] are exempt from the licensing requirements". Who else is left? On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Theo Chino via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Hello, > > I might have a "crazy" simple solution. > From the literature I read, it seems that Satochi has the keys that would > authenticate him using Bitcoin. > > HBO John Oliver's program might have given me (and hopefully others) the > brilliant idea to protect the Bitcoin network from the overzealous reach of > the politicians. One need to start a Church, and to start the Church one > need funds (121UZ1hDs9MgCHonA8vjXr89D8FuDf5c7t) to start. > > John Oliver's program on HBO about Churches (and the hypocrisy of some) > was epic and such entity could argue that Bitcoin is a belief system (which > it is) and would force the issue at a Federal level under the Church and > State separation. - John's video : > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg > > At this time, I am waiting for the License issue to walk its course in New > York State. > > Currently: > > - I am waiting for my License to be denied (to protest) and appeal it. > - Waiting to hear from the License process to appeal the law in > general. > - Meeting Elected officials (in New York City, NY State, and France) > and educating them on Bitcoin. > > Every time we (the community) talk about Bitcoin, it can sound like > religion; therefore why not go all the way and do what John Oliver did ? > Seed money would help. :) > > Regarding the Fork, from my perspective of a small company, I see that > like it was with IRC with the ICMP node split. The Church thing is not here > to take side but to "try" to protect the Bitcoin. > > We will need to ordain ministers selected after completing prescribed > courses of study setup by the developers. > > In short I am asking Satochi to help this church with original coins. If > it is a troll, I am talking to the Dev Community at large to recruit them > to ordain the ministers. > > Regards, > *Theo Chino* > > > *https://www.facebook.com/groups/557495624389384 > (NY > State)http://frenchmorning.com/en/2014/08/18/french-robin-hood-bitcoin-new-york > * > > *(My position on the fork is still the same as when I ran for a seat of > the Foundation; still don't have enough information and thing will move > faster than I can devote the time to read about it.)* > > On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> For the record I would like to share my technical analysis of the Satoshi >> email which I wrote in a pastebin (http://pastebin.com/Ct5M8fa2) a few >> days ago. >> >> 1. The email is the one used by Satoshi to announce Bitcoin in the first >> place. >> http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-October/014810.html >> >> 2. The email was not spoofed, it actually originated from vistomail's >> server. The email headers show the email originated from 190.97.163.93 >> and the SPF records show this as an authorised sender for the email. >> This does not prove the account wasn't hacked of course, or that the >> account might have expired and be re-registered by someone else (vistomail >> is a paid for email provider). >> >> 3. While the email is not signed, and there are a number of PGP keys >> listed on key servers for him (to vary addresses), he didnt sign any emails >> with any PGP keys. >> >> It is therefore not possible to outright dismiss the email's authenticity >> as the email originates from an authentic source. The only questions is >> whether the webmail service was hacked or commandeered somehow. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > -- I like to provide some work at no charge to prove my value. Do you need a techie? I own Litmocracy and Meme Racing (in alpha). I'm the webmaster for The Voluntaryist which now accepts Bitcoin. I also code for The Dollar Vigilante . "He ought to find it more profitable to play by the rules" - Satoshi Nakamoto --047d7bd6c488d49388051d8ebe9a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= At http://media.scmagazine.com/documents/127/virtual_currency_r= ules_31557.pdf, section 200.3(c)(2) lists "consumers that utilize Virtual Currency=20 solely for the purchase or sale of goods or services or for investment=20 purposes" as "Persons [who] are exempt from the licensing require= ments".

Who el= se is left?





On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Theo Chino via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
Hello,

I might have a "crazy" simple solution. <= br>From the literature I read, it seems that Satochi has the keys that woul= d authenticate him using Bitcoin.

HBO John Oliver&= #39;s program might have given me (and hopefully others) the brilliant idea= to protect the Bitcoin network from the overzealous reach of the politicia= ns. One need to start a Church, and to start the Church one need funds (121= UZ1hDs9MgCHonA8vjXr89D8FuDf5c7t) to start.

John Oli= ver's program on HBO about Churches (and the hypocrisy of some) was epi= c and such entity could argue that Bitcoin is a belief system (which it is)= and would force the issue at a Federal level under the Church and State se= paration. - John's video : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3D7y1xJAV= ZxXg

At this time, I am waiting for the License i= ssue to walk its course in New York State.

Currently:

  • I am waiting for my License to be denied (to protest) and appeal it.
  • Waiting to hear from the License process to appeal the law= in general.
  • Meeting Elected officials (in New York City, NY = State, and France) and educating them on Bitcoin.

Every= time we (the community) talk about Bitcoin, it can sound like religion; th= erefore why not go all the way and do what John Oliver did ? Seed money wou= ld help. :)

Regarding the Fork, from my perspective of a small compan= y, I see that like it was with IRC with the ICMP node split. The Church thi= ng is not here to take side but to "try" to protect the Bitcoin.<= /p>

We will need to ordain ministers selected after completing pre= scribed courses of study setup by the developers.

In short I am= asking Satochi to help this church with original coins. If it is a troll, = I am talking to the Dev Community at large to recruit them to ordain the mi= nisters.

Regards,

Theo Chino
https://www.f= acebook.com/groups/557495624389384 (NY State)
http://frenchmorning.com/en/2014/08/18/french-robin-hood-bitcoin-new= -york
(My position on the fork is sti= ll the same as when I ran for a seat of the Foundation; still don't hav= e enough information and thing will move faster than I can devote the time = to read about it.)
<= br>
On Mon, Aug = 17, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin= -dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
<= /div>
For the record I would like to share = my technical analysis of the Satoshi email which I wrote in a pastebin (http://pastebin.com= /Ct5M8fa2) a few days ago.

1. The email is the one used by Satoshi to announc= e Bitcoin in the first place.=C2=A0
http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2008-Oct= ober/014810.html

2. The email was not spoofed, it actually originated from = vistomail's server. The email headers show the email originated from=C2= =A0190.97.163.93 and = the SPF records show this as an authorised sender for the email. Thi= s does not prove the account wasn't hacked of course, or that the accou= nt might have expired and be re-registered by someone else (vistomail is a = paid for email provider).

3. While the email is not signed, and there are a numbe= r of PGP keys listed on key servers for him (to vary addresses), he didnt s= ign any emails with any PGP keys.

It is therefore not possible to outright dismis= s the email's authenticity as the email originates from an authentic so= urce. The only questions is whether the webmail service was hacked or comma= ndeered somehow.



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I like to provide some work at no charge to pr= ove my value. Do you need a techie?=C2=A0
I own Litmocracy and Meme Racing (in alpha).
I'm th= e webmaster for T= he Voluntaryist which now accepts Bitcoin.
I also code for The Dollar Vigilante= .
"He ought to find it more profitable to play by the rules" -= Satoshi Nakamoto
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