I guess every mailing list should have its own internal SNR discussions.

My answer is to respond when something is off-topic and offer a different place for the topic.  I haven't been doing that, partly because no one else has, but mostly because I figured I don't have a strong handle on what is off-topic and what isn't.  Let's all start doing that.  Of course, someone can object to the claim, "No, I don't think this is off-topic... blah blah blah," and people can respond.  The norms will develop.  It just requires some relative humility, courage, and honesty.

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:28 PM, Warren Togami Jr. via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
FYI, a few developers including Wladimir, Greg, Peter Todd, Pieter, and Alex Morcos have been discussing what to do about improving the signal noise ratio on bitcoin-dev list.  One proposal similar to this discussion was to split it into multiple mailing lists.  It was pointed out that the less technical Bitcoin discussion list already existed in the past and nobody used it.  Generally the discussion went away from creating yet another mailing list and toward instituting an on-topic guidelines for bitcoin-dev.  Gavin, Wladimir, and a few of the others agreed to a simple few paragraphs written by Alex Morcos.  IIRC Wladimir agreed to post it.  Has it been posted yet?

On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Btc Drak via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@gmail.com> wrote:
> bitcoin-dev for protocol discussion and bitcoin-core for Bitcoin Core
> discussion?

Well -dev or both, I dont particularly see a difference at the moment,
and establishing two lists isnt really going to make a difference so
long as Bitcoin Core is the reference client, which it is by defacto.
The risk of having too many lists is interested stakeholders will miss
a discussions. Normal protocol and core discussions are usually pretty
low volume in any case.

> As Jorge notes, a general discussion list has existed for a long time with
> little use.

I would suggest it's only because there havent been any rules for -dev
that would force general discussion over to the bitcoin list. On IRC
we regularly tell people in #bitcoin-dev they are OT and ask them to
move to #bitcoin and as a result, -dev remains quite clear of chit
chat, #bitcoin has a steady stream of general chatter.

We could reduce the OT/noise of bitcoin-dev list considerably by
offloading the non-technical/academic debate to the bitcoin list. It
just needs a bit of shepherding. I am more than happy to help out.
Especially if the list already exists, we should consider making a
decision now.

Who are the moderators for that list? Do we really want to use
sourceforge or are there alternatives, like another list on
linuxfoundation?

ping @Warren.
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