From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 29BAA42A for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:08:27 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wi0-f176.google.com (mail-wi0-f176.google.com [209.85.212.176]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F811112 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:08:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicmv11 with SMTP id mv11so68557692wic.0 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:08:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qQRHQDyIM6SmDfUAwAr+abcNEuO+vznwtnTDYR7GUY0=; b=aGebkPrbwK2JelhbneXCBlWRxuM1FXYDX6Sh3+C743HVxWZnf3VLHOJ4h9ex1OeIsx Gik/9Ewi3ZWuUD2hGto6wFNAoxgpwF2FV3HNhdZpW37MAsgUGBvlFnMvUCGh+Qx4zp8R pOWwuMfqKkWoRIIFYBCICHZiKEMeciXQbToVW53L6gcJ+Kw8K9zlJ1j26mv33GBUwStD uvjyG8M4bx3sT4QWZG5pa83rGZsvv5FutopR4w7V9sSUlkrkrAFTnvCDr+5jex+e/4En ZtDnqykdM1u413h7Ti3POFtfQ2wuJsr6SIsXPehQWAwZQt07fTuQsgnl1XP6JghyZPR0 0LEg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.121.100 with SMTP id lj4mr27680913wjb.104.1437750504842; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: dscotese@gmail.com Received: by 10.27.184.134 with HTTP; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:08:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:08:24 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: T3ECb87FTj-xrbQ_iUC0-HaU7t8 Message-ID: From: Dave Scotese To: Mike Hearn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011777b51dec77051ba06034 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,LOTS_OF_MONEY,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Roadmap 2015, or "If We Do Nothing" Analysis X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 15:08:27 -0000 --089e011777b51dec77051ba06034 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:38 AM, Mike Hearn wrote: > It's worth noting that even massive companies with $30M USD of funding >> don't run a single Bitcoin Core node > > > This has nothing to do with block sizes, and everything to do with Core > not directly providing the services businesses actually want. > > The whole "node count is falling because of block sizes" is nothing more > than conjecture presented as fact. The existence of multiple companies who > could easily afford to do this but don't because they perceive it as > valueless should be a wakeup call there. > Regardless of why node count is falling, many people who used to run a full node stopped doing so. To mitigate that, their chances of getting something out of it have to be greater. What if propagating a valid transaction generated a small chance of earning a piece of the fee? --089e011777b51dec77051ba06034 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On F= ri, Jul 24, 2015 at 4:38 AM, Mike Hearn <hearn@vinumeris.com> wrote:
It's worth noting that even massive = companies with $30M USD of funding don't run a single Bitcoin Core node=

This has nothing to do with block sizes, a= nd everything to do with Core not directly providing the services businesse= s actually want.=C2=A0

The whole "node count = is falling because of block sizes" is nothing more than conjecture pre= sented as fact. The existence of multiple companies who could easily afford= to do this but don't because they perceive it as valueless should be a= wakeup call there.

Regardless of why node count is falling, many people= who used to run a full node stopped doing so.=C2=A0 To mitigate that, thei= r chances of getting something out of it have to be greater.=C2=A0 What if = propagating a valid transaction generated a small chance of earning a piece= of the fee?
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