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[2607:f8b0:4864:20::112c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 31-20020a9f22a2000000b007e135c4753fsi726959uan.1.2024.04.07.01.10.07 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2024 01:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ccychc@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::112c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::112c; Received: by mail-yw1-x112c.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-61495e769bdso29535417b3.0 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 01:10:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a81:4956:0:b0:611:9104:b450 with SMTP id w83-20020a814956000000b006119104b450mr5049596ywa.15.1712477406526; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 01:10:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <950b875a-e430-4bd8-870d-f9a9fab2493an@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: From: K Calvin Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2024 17:09:55 +0900 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: The Future of Bitcoin Testnet To: Christian Decker Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008084f806157d37e4" X-Original-Sender: ccychc@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b="BVmI2/WJ"; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ccychc@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::112c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ccychc@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --0000000000008084f806157d37e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The motivation for signet was fixing this problem for testing applications that required more predictable block times. So this functionality is supported in one of the test networks. Is there something that a testnet with the difficulty fixed offers that signet doesn=E2=80=99t offer? =E2=80=94Calvin Christian Decker schrieb am So. 7. Apr. 2024 um 4:20 PM: > I'd like to add my counter example to this: all constructions of off-chai= n > protocols that we know to this day require a repudiation period, during > which other parties can intervene to correct or penalize a misbehaving > party. This period is enforced in all cases by a delay expressed in block= s. > > The unpredictable block generation rate means this mechanism is almost > impossible to test on testnet, making it's utility for offchain protocol > testing dubious if not outright void. > > While a better behaved testnet is no guarantee that it will give rise to = a > persistent ecosystem that allows more extensive real world testing on > testnet, I'd love to have at least the option. > > TL;DR: addressing the difficulty reset would be much appreciated. > > Regards, > Christian > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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The motivation for signet was fixing this problem for tes= ting applications that required more predictable block times. So this funct= ionality is supported in one of the test networks.
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Is there something that a testnet with the diffi= culty fixed offers that signet doesn=E2=80=99t offer?

=E2=80=94Calvin

C= hristian Decker <decker.ch= ristian@gmail.com> schrieb am So. 7. Apr. 2024 um 4:20 PM:
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I'd like to add my counter example t= o this: all constructions of off-chain protocols that we know to this day r= equire a repudiation period, during which other parties can intervene to co= rrect or penalize a misbehaving party. This period is enforced in all cases= by a delay expressed in blocks.

The unpredictable block generation rate means this mechanism is almost i= mpossible to test on testnet, making it's utility for offchain protocol= testing dubious if not outright void.

While a better behaved testnet is no guarantee that it will = give rise to a persistent ecosystem that allows more extensive real world t= esting on testnet, I'd love to have at least the option.

TL;DR: addressing the difficulty rese= t would be much appreciated.

Regards,
Christian

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