From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org (smtp2.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::133]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D77FC0032; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 17:54:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 147084310D; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 17:54:09 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org 147084310D Authentication-Results: smtp2.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com header.i=@gmail.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20230601 header.b=epP9Xozw X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp2.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp2.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rAbV9DRXIZzO; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 17:54:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yb1-xb32.google.com (mail-yb1-xb32.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::b32]) by smtp2.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BC8943107; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 17:54:06 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp2.osuosl.org 8BC8943107 Received: by mail-yb1-xb32.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-d9ace5370a0so8315570276.0; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 10:54:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1697738045; x=1698342845; darn=lists.linuxfoundation.org; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=7EoBYH+FAUl1GX5c4LJd12zacq1JZF/G3G/VR/OgIQM=; b=epP9XozwIXXS99NjizFVRQnBt4bV/09S/S9o0yFeU0hfC8HaJBrinhqwRJjtIwP6fF tIVsefo4T9+1t1CCCBjOvqriJBeCsq/Q9P7oYUCZ+1jmMQRCpiriEhCNB+Bx4B5yL0fr NsJxjlUYHtbUEakczZt4Zfn78PcPxSgXZCQadG5eNE96khi6dshjGvEQ+fqhBuyjaJQu UJ0yT+G154GQeoLX25oIfMSVozg0xcKJYvYwWuYbvPcCG3wW+uPM8FUYTeAvMy6gM9KT w5/w8zFQHmVBzFB91N6TgILTf+UJaJMJgyOn2FBplpDEH+wB2yJ7R05ssPx/LswcS3Fz 1Oww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1697738045; x=1698342845; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=7EoBYH+FAUl1GX5c4LJd12zacq1JZF/G3G/VR/OgIQM=; b=QKV6gi3xaz1M2zcAgax1jD+2Eaa0R/1gT+Q+dhC4pWXZil9EjZeI3jjjihEIuoJ5AH yuVGjPA3god3phyuamyuZdv5tsdTEDeFto8SB62/WmfQYClMRSIpk0+KTRxz5YK292ej G4t3+Ey0XnIOIbZqYw3eIslQYRKl8hyLveenm3/1wA24/Q/Nhmaq1EUA2erJa2/i25WZ jiaZa7dh9MqWx1KiydKWEbBkGa4QFmz6zshJT9xzrrnVqSRlyyZsiXk1xo62DIRCQAwg 0KtYhDp6+0mEkA3icQTwtNhGs03pNqngnXXqyAcyZVpjIRESTWQO1KBFK/YgKWbQ9m4A 9sQg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxQbVgDMKT3229n9MTjweUxFQnzMP8VDFRgJQxVXSOyM9PVipT/ PEE6/UjLU2pdygrs3Gf3p8yxaFrZl/nH5ZoXIX0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGJxA+M7aVzgXZXOWXoJqM8NulSPs4rg8SK8iQ9WaA809P6kJCo5QHKu5gs43pP7ZCkD/70pFVm/3yzPUnZhsE= X-Received: by 2002:a25:ae4a:0:b0:d9c:7d48:300b with SMTP id g10-20020a25ae4a000000b00d9c7d48300bmr3261155ybe.33.1697738045041; Thu, 19 Oct 2023 10:54:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Matt Morehouse Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 17:53:53 +0000 Message-ID: To: Antoine Riard Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:52:02 +0000 Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion , security@ariard.me, "lightning-dev\\\\@lists.linuxfoundation.org" Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] [Lightning-dev] Full Disclosure: CVE-2023-40231 / CVE-2023-40232 / CVE-2023-40233 / CVE-2023-40234 "All your mempool are belong to us" X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 17:54:09 -0000 On Thu, Oct 19, 2023 at 5:22=E2=80=AFPM Antoine Riard wrote: > > Hi Matt, > > This mitigation is mentioned in the attached paper (see subsection 3.4 de= fensive fee-rebroadcasting) > https://github.com/ariard/mempool-research/blob/2023-10-replacement-paper= /replacement-cycling.pdf > > As soon as you start to have a bit of a mempool backlog and the defensive= fractional fee HTLC-timeout stays stuck, it gives the advantage to the att= acker again. > > Beyond that, I think an attacker can replace-cycle multiple honest HTLC-t= imeout with a single malicious HTLC-preimage (with a sequence of replacemen= t, not concurrently) paying the absolute fee, while only encumbering the RB= F penalty. I didn't test this specific behavior, though the "fees" math doe= sn't seem at the advantage of the defenders at first sight. Right, some replacement cycles can be avoided by the attacker to reduce the cost of the attack. But with the defender implementing a scorched-earth fee bumping policy, eventually either (1) the HTLC-timeout *will* confirm in the next block or (2) the attacker must pay more fees than the HTLC-timeout fees to replace it. As the CLTV delta deadline approaches, the fees in case 2 may be 50%, 80%, even 100% of the HTLC value under such a scorched earth policy. So even if the attacker only has to do one replacement cycle right before the deadline, the attack can be made unprofitable. And in practice, with HTLC values significantly greater than the next-block fee cost, the attacker will need to do multiple replacements as the deadline approaches. And of course this linear scorched earth policy is just an illustration. We should further tune the fee bumping curve across the full CLTV delta to ensure minimal fees paid when not under attack. But as we approach the deadline, it makes sense to become very aggressive both to get our transaction confirmed during high mempool congestion and to punish replacement-cycling attackers. > > Best, > Antoine > > Le jeu. 19 oct. 2023 =C3=A0 17:23, Matt Morehouse a =C3=A9crit : >> >> On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 12:34=E2=80=AFAM Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev >> wrote: >> > >> > There appears to be some confusion about this issue and the mitigation= s. To be clear, the deployed >> > mitigations are not expected to fix this issue, its arguable if they p= rovide anything more than a PR >> > statement. >> > >> > There are two discussed mitigations here - mempool scanning and transa= ction re-signing/re-broadcasting. >> > >> > Mempool scanning relies on regularly checking the mempool of a local n= ode to see if we can catch the >> > replacement cycle mid-cycle. It only works if wee see the first transa= ction before the second >> > transaction replaces it. >> > >> > Today, a large majority of lightning nodes run on machines with a Bitc= oin node on the same IP >> > address, making it very clear what the "local node" of the lightning n= ode is. An attacker can >> > trivially use this information to connect to said local node and do th= e replacement quickly, >> > preventing the victim from seeing the replacement. >> > >> > More generally, however, similar discoverability is true for mining po= ols. An attacker performing >> > this attack is likely to do the replacement attack on a miner's node d= irectly, potentially reducing >> > the reach of the intermediate transaction to only miners, such that th= e victim can never discover it >> > at all. >> > >> > The second mitigation is similarly pathetic. Re-signing and re-broadca= sting the victim's transaction >> > in an attempt to get it to miners even if its been removed may work, i= f the attacker is super lazy >> > and didn't finish writing their attack system. If the attacker is conn= ected to a large majority of >> > hashrate (which has historically been fairly doable), they can simply = do their replacement in a >> > cycle aggressively and arbitrarily reduce the probability that the vic= tim's transaction gets confirmed. >> >> What if the honest node aggressively fee-bumps and retransmits the >> HTLC-timeout as the CLTV delta deadline approaches, as suggested by >> Ziggie? Say, within 10 blocks of the deadline, the honest node starts >> increasing the fee by 1/10th the HTLC value for each non-confirmation. >> >> This "scorched earth" approach may cost the honest node considerable >> fees, but it will cost the attacker even more, since each attacker >> replacement needs to burn at least as much as the HTLC-timeout fees, >> and the attacker will need to do a replacement every time the honest >> node fee bumps. >> >> I think this fee-bumping policy will provide sufficient defense even >> if the attacker is replacement-cycling directly in miners' mempools >> and the victim has no visibility into the attack. >> >> > >> > Now, the above is all true in a spherical cow kinda world, and the P2P= network has plenty of slow >> > nodes and strange behavior. Its possible that these mitigations might,= by some stroke of luck, >> > happen to catch such an attack and prevent it, because something took = longer than the attacker >> > intended or whatever. But, that's a far cry from any kind of material = "fix" for the issue. >> > >> > Ultimately the only fix for this issue will be when miners keep a hist= ory of transactions they've >> > seen and try them again after they may be able to enter the mempool be= cause of an attack like this. >> > >> > Matt >> > >> > On 10/16/23 12:57 PM, Antoine Riard wrote: >> > > (cross-posting mempool issues identified are exposing lightning chan= to loss of funds risks, other >> > > multi-party bitcoin apps might be affected) >> > > >> > > Hi, >> > > >> > > End of last year (December 2022), amid technical discussions on elto= o payment channels and >> > > incentives compatibility of the mempool anti-DoS rules, a new transa= ction-relay jamming attack >> > > affecting lightning channels was discovered. >> > > >> > > After careful analysis, it turns out this attack is practical and im= mediately exposed lightning >> > > routing hops carrying HTLC traffic to loss of funds security risks, = both legacy and anchor output >> > > channels. A potential exploitation plausibly happening even without = network mempools congestion. >> > > >> > > Mitigations have been designed, implemented and deployed by all majo= r lightning implementations >> > > during the last months. >> > > >> > > Please find attached the release numbers, where the mitigations shou= ld be present: >> > > - LDK: v0.0.118 - CVE-2023 -40231 >> > > - Eclair: v0.9.0 - CVE-2023-40232 >> > > - LND: v.0.17.0-beta - CVE-2023-40233 >> > > - Core-Lightning: v.23.08.01 - CVE-2023-40234 >> > > >> > > While neither replacement cycling attacks have been observed or repo= rted in the wild since the last >> > > ~10 months or experimented in real-world conditions on bitcoin maine= t, functional test is available >> > > exercising the affected lightning channel against bitcoin core mempo= ol (26.0 release cycle). >> > > >> > > It is understood that a simple replacement cycling attack does not d= emand privileged capabilities >> > > from an attacker (e.g no low-hashrate power) and only access to basi= c bitcoin and lightning >> > > software. Yet I still think executing such an attack successfully re= quests a fair amount of bitcoin >> > > technical know-how and decent preparation. >> > > >> > > From my understanding of those issues, it is yet to be determined i= f the mitigations deployed are >> > > robust enough in face of advanced replacement cycling attackers, esp= ecially ones able to combine >> > > different classes of transaction-relay jamming such as pinnings or v= etted with more privileged >> > > capabilities. >> > > >> > > Please find a list of potential affected bitcoin applications in thi= s full disclosure report using >> > > bitcoin script timelocks or multi-party transactions, albeit no imme= diate security risk exposure as >> > > severe as the ones affecting lightning has been identified. Only cur= sory review of non-lightning >> > > applications has been conducted so far. >> > > >> > > There is a paper published summarizing replacement cycling attacks o= n the lightning network: >> > > https://github.com/ariard/mempool-research/blob/2023-10-replacement-= paper/replacement-cycling.pdf >> > > >> > > >> > > ## Problem >> > > >> > > A lightning node allows HTLCs forwarding (in bolt3's parlance accept= ed HTLC on incoming link and >> > > offered HTLC on outgoing link) should settle the outgoing state with= either a success or timeout >> > > before the incoming state timelock becomes final and an asymmetric d= efavorable settlement might >> > > happen (cf "Flood & Loot: A Systematic Attack on The Lightning Netwo= rk" section 2.3 for a classical >> > > exposition of this lightning security property). >> > > >> > > Failure to satisfy this settlement requirement exposes a forwarding = hop to a loss of fund risk where >> > > the offered HTLC is spent by the outgoing link counterparty's HTLC-p= reimage and the accepted HTLC is >> > > spent by the incoming link counterparty's HTLC-timeout. >> > > >> > > The specification mandates the incoming HTLC expiration timelock to = be spaced out by an interval of >> > > `cltv_expiry_delta` from the outgoing HTLC expiration timelock, this= exact interval value being an >> > > implementation and node policy setting. As a minimal value, the spec= ification recommends 34 blocks >> > > of interval. If the timelock expiration I of the inbound HTLC is equ= al to 100 from chain tip, the >> > > timelock expiration O of the outbound HTLC must be equal to 66 block= s from chain tip, giving a >> > > reasonable buffer of reaction to the lightning forwarding node. >> > > >> > > In the lack of cooperative off-chain settlement of the HTLC on the o= utgoing link negotiated with the >> > > counterparty (either `update_fulfill_htlc` or `update_fail_htlc`) wh= en O is reached, the lightning >> > > node should broadcast its commitment transaction. Once the commitmen= t is confirmed (if anchor and >> > > the 1 CSV encumbrance is present), the lightning node broadcasts and= confirms its HTLC-timeout >> > > before I height is reached. >> > > >> > > Here enter a replacement cycling attack. A malicious channel counter= party can broadcast its >> > > HTLC-preimage transaction with a higher absolute fee and higher feer= ate than the honest HTLC-timeout >> > > of the victim lightning node and triggers a replacement. Both for le= gacy and anchor output channels, >> > > a HTLC-preimage on a counterparty commitment transaction is malleabl= e, i.e additional inputs or >> > > outputs can be added. The HTLC-preimage spends an unconfirmed and un= related to the channel parent >> > > transaction M and conflicts its child. >> > > >> > > As the HTLC-preimage spends an unconfirmed input that was already in= cluded in the unconfirmed and >> > > unrelated child transaction (rule 2), pays an absolute higher fee of= at least the sum paid by the >> > > HTLC-timeout and child transaction (rule 3) and the HTLC-preimage fe= erate is greater than all >> > > directly conflicting transactions (rule 6), the replacement is accep= ted. The honest HTLC-timeout is >> > > evicted out of the mempool. >> > > >> > > In an ulterior move, the malicious counterparty can replace the pare= nt transaction itself with >> > > another candidate N satisfying the replacement rules, triggering the= eviction of the malicious >> > > HTLC-preimage from the mempool as it was a child of the parent T. >> > > >> > > There is no spending candidate of the offered HTLC output for the cu= rrent block laying in network >> > > mempools. >> > > >> > > This replacement cycling tricks can be repeated for each rebroadcast= attempt of the HTLC-timeout by >> > > the honest lightning node until expiration of the inbound HTLC timel= ock I. Once this height is >> > > reached a HTLC-timeout is broadcast by the counterparty's on the inc= oming link in collusion with the >> > > one on the outgoing link broadcasting its own HTLC-preimage. >> > > >> > > The honest Lightning node has been "double-spent" in its HTLC forwar= ding. >> > > >> > > As a notable factor impacting the success of the attack, a lightning= node's honest HTLC-timeout >> > > might be included in the block template of the miner winning the blo= ck race and therefore realizes a >> > > spent of the offered output. In practice, a replacement cycling atta= ck might over-connect to miners' >> > > mempools and public reachable nodes to succeed in a fast eviction of= the HTLC-timeout by its >> > > HTLC-preimage. As this latter transaction can come with a better anc= estor-score, it should be picked >> > > up on the flight by economically competitive miners. >> > > >> > > A functional test exercising a simple replacement cycling of a HTLC = transaction on bitcoin core >> > > mempool is available: >> > > https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin/commits/2023-test-mempool >> > > >> > > >> > > ## Deployed LN mitigations >> > > >> > > Aggressive rebroadcasting: As the replacement cycling attacker benef= its from the HTLC-timeout being >> > > usually broadcast by lightning nodes only once every block, or less = the replacement cycling >> > > malicious transactions paid only equal the sum of the absolute fees = paid by the HTLC, adjusted with >> > > the replacement penalty. Rebroadcasting randomly and multiple times = before the next block increases >> > > the absolute fee cost for the attacker. >> > > >> > > Implemented and deployed by Eclair, Core-Lightning, LND and LDK . >> > > >> > > Local-mempool preimage monitoring: As the replacement cycling attack= er in a simple setup broadcast >> > > the HTLC-preimage to all the network mempools, the honest lightning = node is able to catch on the >> > > flight the unconfirmed HTLC-preimage, before its subsequent mempool = replacement. The preimage can be >> > > extracted from the second-stage HTLC-preimage and used to fetch the = off-chain inbound HTLC with a >> > > cooperative message or go on-chain with it to claim the accepted HTL= C output. >> > > >> > > Implemented and deployed by Eclair and LND. >> > > >> > > CLTV Expiry Delta: With every jammed block comes an absolute fee cos= t paid by the attacker, a risk >> > > of the HTLC-preimage being detected or discovered by the honest ligh= tning node, or the HTLC-timeout >> > > to slip in a winning block template. Bumping the default CLTV delta = hardens the odds of success of a >> > > simple replacement cycling attack. >> > > >> > > Default setting: Eclair 144, Core-Lightning 34, LND 80 and LDK 72. >> > > >> > > ## Affected Bitcoin Protocols and Applications >> > > >> > > From my understanding the following list of Bitcoin protocols and a= pplications could be affected by >> > > new denial-of-service vectors under some level of network mempools c= ongestion. Neither tests or >> > > advanced review of specifications (when available) has been conducte= d for each of them: >> > > - on-chain DLCs >> > > - coinjoins >> > > - payjoins >> > > - wallets with time-sensitive paths >> > > - peerswap and submarine swaps >> > > - batch payouts >> > > - transaction "accelerators" >> > > >> > > Inviting their developers, maintainers and operators to investigate = how replacement cycling attacks >> > > might disrupt their in-mempool chain of transactions, or fee-bumping= flows at the shortest delay. >> > > Simple flows and non-multi-party transactions should not be affected= to the best of my understanding. >> > > >> > > ## Open Problems: Package Malleability >> > > >> > > Pinning attacks have been known for years as a practical vector to c= ompromise lightning channels >> > > funds safety, under different scenarios (cf. current bip331's motiva= tion section). Mitigations at >> > > the mempool level have been designed, discussed and are under implem= entation by the community >> > > (ancestor package relay + nverrsion=3D3 policy). Ideally, they shoul= d constraint a pinning attacker to >> > > always attach a high feerate package (commitment + CPFP) to replace = the honest package, or allow a >> > > honest lightning node to overbid a malicious pinning package and get= its time-sensitive transaction >> > > optimistically included in the chain. >> > > >> > > Replacement cycling attack seem to offer a new way to neutralize the= design goals of package relay >> > > and its companion nversion=3D3 policy, where an attacker package RBF= a honest package out of the >> > > mempool to subsequently double-spend its own high-fee child with a t= ransaction unrelated to the >> > > channel. As the remaining commitment transaction is pre-signed with = a minimal relay fee, it can be >> > > evicted out of the mempool. >> > > >> > > A functional test exercising a simple replacement cycling of a light= ning channel commitment >> > > transaction on top of the nversion=3D3 code branch is available: >> > > https://github.com/ariard/bitcoin/commits/2023-10-test-mempool-2 >> > > >> > > >> > > ## Discovery >> > > >> > > In 2018, the issue of static fees for pre-signed lightning transacti= ons is made more widely known, >> > > the carve-out exemption in mempool rules to mitigate in-mempool pack= age limits pinning and the >> > > anchor output pattern are proposed. >> > > >> > > In 2019, bitcoin core 0.19 is released with carve-out support. Conti= nued discussion of the anchor >> > > output pattern as a dynamic fee-bumping method. >> > > >> > > In 2020, draft of anchor output submitted to the bolts. Initial find= ing of economic pinning against >> > > lightning commitment and second-stage HTLC transactions. Subsequent = discussions of a >> > > preimage-overlay network or package-relay as mitigations. Public cal= l made to inquiry more on >> > > potential other transaction-relay jamming attacks affecting lightnin= g. >> > > >> > > In 2021, initial work in bitcoin core 22.0 of package acceptance. Co= ntinued discussion of the >> > > pinning attacks and shortcomings of current mempool rules during com= munity-wide online workshops. >> > > Later the year, in light of all issues for bitcoin second-layers, a = proposal is made about killing >> > > the mempool. >> > > >> > > In 2022, bip proposed for package relay and new proposed v3 policy d= esign proposed for a review and >> > > implementation. Mempoolfullrbf is supported in bitcoin core 24.0 and= conceptual questions about >> > > alignment of mempool rules w.r.t miners incentives are investigated. >> > > >> > > Along this year 2022, eltoo lightning channels design are discussed,= implemented and reviewed. In >> > > this context and after discussions on mempool anti-DoS rules, I disc= overed this new replacement >> > > cycling attack was affecting deployed lightning channels and immedia= tely reported the finding to >> > > some bitcoin core developers and lightning maintainers. >> > > >> > > ## Timeline >> > > >> > > - 2022-12-16: Report of the finding to Suhas Daftuar, Anthony Towns,= Greg Sanders and Gloria Zhao >> > > - 2022-12-16: Report to LN maintainers: Rusty Russell, Bastien Teint= urier, Matt Corallo and Olaoluwa >> > > Osuntunkun >> > > - 2022-12-23: Sharing to Eugene Siegel (LND) >> > > - 2022-12-24: Sharing to James O'Beirne and Antoine Poinsot (non-lig= htning potential affected projects) >> > > - 2022-01-14: Sharing to Gleb Naumenko (miners incentives and cross-= layers issuers) and initial >> > > proposal of an early public disclosure >> > > - 2022-01-19: Collection of analysis if other second-layers and mult= i-party applications affected. >> > > LN mitigations development starts. >> > > - 2023-05-04: Sharing to Wilmer Paulino (LDK) >> > > - 2023-06-20: LN mitigations implemented and progressively released.= Week of the 16 october proposed >> > > for full disclosure. >> > > - 2023-08-10: CVEs assigned by MITRE >> > > - 2023-10-05: Pre-disclosure of LN CVEs numbers and replacement cycl= ing attack existence to >> > > security@bitcoincore.org . >> > > - 2023-10-16: Full disclosure of CVE-2023-40231 / CVE-2023-40232 / C= VE-2023-40233 / CVE-2023-40234 >> > > and replacement cycling attacks >> > > >> > > ## Conclusion >> > > >> > > Despite the line of mitigations adopted and deployed by current majo= r lightning implementations, I >> > > believe replacement cycling attacks are still practical for advanced= attackers. Beyond this new >> > > attack might come as a way to partially or completely defeat some of= the pinning mitigations which >> > > have been working for years as a community. >> > > >> > > As of today, it is uncertain to me if lightning is not affected by a= more severe long-term package >> > > malleability critical security issue under current consensus rules, = and if any other time-sensitive >> > > multi-party protocol, designed or deployed isn't de facto affected t= oo (loss of funds or denial of >> > > service). >> > > >> > > Assuming analysis on package malleability is correct, it is unclear = to me if it can be corrected by >> > > changes in replacement / eviction rules or mempool chain of transact= ions processing strategy. >> > > Inviting my technical peers and the bitcoin community to look more o= n this issue, including to >> > > dissent. I'll be the first one pleased if I'm fundamentally wrong on= those issues, or if any element >> > > has not been weighted with the adequate technical accuracy it deserv= es. >> > > >> > > Do not trust, verify. All mistakes and opinions are my own. >> > > >> > > Antoine >> > > >> > > "meet with Triumph and Disaster. And treat those two impostors just = the same" - K. >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Lightning-dev mailing list >> > > Lightning-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> > > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/lightning-dev >> > _______________________________________________ >> > bitcoin-dev mailing list >> > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev