From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62491EA1 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 01:14:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-io1-f52.google.com (mail-io1-f52.google.com [209.85.166.52]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBEFF5D3 for ; Fri, 11 Oct 2019 01:14:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-io1-f52.google.com with SMTP id c6so17886580ioo.13 for ; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:14:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=yLBzpgkFx1oZOdrbK3AGmplVHmSySmknWv4kAh6FIgM=; b=fJCexU9ckxtEibsiUMSOxWMkNZ7sPcbtST1ybBE9rPwaqdNVZCRMynttxBHppf2+pt PNNVS1xWTEPuN1AaTXXuYUqqW004pClfNtbWlfm5SQisbNJh4k30BiFDSaxD6pyH3jZv 4N3DLUA4UIVAaGE+89sgE89ZesU//WyOgVBw8bqHitYs8IT1t1H3pzjCZ7KZdV+6AIkc RhU2wFpKKSR8GLyc6JjP3xrb7QJMjZgd/aomF9siLUwYBZr67u0sBG6rg/8HAdb0BtGB f6VoO7ThvWujop4m0rTK3hsGwadoxVTwleswPlnh1JKooxX0tysjBJUAYEoVK1Ph1Xv1 i82w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=yLBzpgkFx1oZOdrbK3AGmplVHmSySmknWv4kAh6FIgM=; b=bdASxf8HiS5dhCukDowTr10gl9xmaMzV74LF4moRC210JFbqotANcpSo2IhaCO9Ynh YeQKwAgxJcBHnB4eCw8mQ7sLz1puKjlkGFxwEsazfz9BC2y/OHp7Lblm3oY7tJFtviF4 uyq0DNlH+0aBOgWM4d+fLEsFg45jSFGe0hSAoDcxI9rFOBGvBvknkAjiqWV+0E+gin5E isXtX7TP76hjyhsH57HpbcfbPrdP4rStcszXtK9cDujedgBFcJEWfBAL1gWlMxiNAaOn SvgA1fXZ0kXzr0fLUPRDdQrtyT0OuHu7U5c+l4ZkO4S7sIKZBqmlSd6a/iun+nV1izkT xGqg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWRvPwwpwynWfUi36BfK7CroTr+wSc3HQsRnMjAyXnPWYsJb8lU 2FNZ9ag/iFItkRJ6ggsjpRaBCVkYOOf3NsbJPgmihZ+aFg4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzV3cEq0ti3jJbcLG71sAU10X/W/+tsWgg8V/LhOj8YKPXO7eShDixW6+u1HXk5N8e9Fe9pVoaCU2eK+prtgJE= X-Received: by 2002:a02:6a05:: with SMTP id l5mr15059516jac.64.1570756446777; Thu, 10 Oct 2019 18:14:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <58e44347-6eee-a0c3-3b8a-965c7450780e@emilengler.com> <6fe67006-7131-a861-61fa-65392d5be069@riseup.net> <20824fa5-e3fa-8d4e-1678-4c2048b49b6b@emilengler.com> In-Reply-To: <20824fa5-e3fa-8d4e-1678-4c2048b49b6b@emilengler.com> From: Lloyd Fournier Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 12:13:40 +1100 Message-ID: To: Emil Engler via bitcoin-dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000009fb740594983c90" X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU, FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 03:21:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIPable-idea: Consistent and better definition of the term 'address' X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 01:14:08 -0000 --00000000000009fb740594983c90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Thread, This may not be the most practical information, but there actually did exist an almost perfect analogy for Bitcoin addresses from the ancient world: From wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulla_(seal) "Transactions for trading needed to be accounted for efficiently, so the clay tokens were placed in a clay ball (bulla), which helped with dishonesty and kept all the tokens together. In order to account for the tokens, the bulla would have to be crushed to reveal their content. This introduced the idea of impressing the token onto the wet bulla before it dried, to insure trust that the tokens hadn't been tampered with and for anyone to know what exactly was in the bulla without having to break it." You could only use the bulla once because it had to be destroyed in order to get the tokens out! I think there are even examples of bulla with a kind of "signature" on them (an imprint with the seal of a noble family etc). "send me a Bitcoin bulla" has a nice ring to it! Sincerely, LL On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 2:44 AM Emil Engler via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > * Sorry if this mail was sent multiple times, my E-Mail client went crazy * > > Thanks for all your feedback. > I came to the decision to write a BIP for this, even if it might not be > implemented by many wallets, a standardization is never wrong and this > would be the first step in the correct direction for better on-chain > privacy. > > However currently we still need a good term for the 'address' replacement. > > The current suggestions are: > * Invoice ID > * Payment Token > * Bitcoin invoice (address) > * Bitcoin invoice (path) > > Because of the LN term invoice I really like the term 'Bitcoin Invoice' > by Chris Belcher. > > So how do find a consensus about these terms? > > Greetings > Emil Engler > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --00000000000009fb740594983c90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Thread,

This may not be the most pra= ctical information, but there actually did exist an almost perfect analogy = for Bitcoin addresses from the ancient world: From wikipedia=C2=A0https://en.wikipedia.org/wi= ki/Bulla_(seal)

"Transactions for trading needed to be account= ed for efficiently, so the clay tokens were placed in a clay ball (bulla), = which helped with dishonesty and kept all the tokens together. In order to = account for the tokens, the bulla would have to be crushed to reveal their = content. This introduced the idea of impressing the token onto the wet bull= a before it dried, to insure trust that the tokens hadn't been tampered= with and for anyone to know what exactly was in the bulla without having t= o break it."

You could only use the bu= lla once because it had to be destroyed in order to get the tokens out! I t= hink there are even examples of bulla with a kind of "signature" = on them (an imprint with the seal of a noble family etc).

"send me a Bitcoin bulla" has a nice ring to it!

Sincerely,

LL


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On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 2:44 AM Emil Engler via bitcoin-d= ev <bitcoin-dev= @lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
* Sorry if this mail was sent multiple times, my = E-Mail client went crazy *

Thanks for all your feedback.
I came to the decision to write a BIP for this, even if it might not be
implemented by many wallets, a standardization is never wrong and this
would be the first step in the correct direction for better on-chain
privacy.

However currently we still need a good term for the 'address' repla= cement.

The current suggestions are:
* Invoice ID
* Payment Token
* Bitcoin invoice (address)
* Bitcoin invoice (path)

Because of the LN term invoice I really like the term 'Bitcoin Invoice&= #39;
by Chris Belcher.

So how do find a consensus about these terms?

Greetings
Emil Engler
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