From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DBAACA0 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:59:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mout.web.de (mout.web.de [212.227.15.14]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1EEB61CE for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 20:59:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lf0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LrsGE-1bnurU1cMA-013iD3 for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 22:58:58 +0200 Received: by mail-lf0-f44.google.com with SMTP id g184so91491955lfb.3 for ; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJIsw+Lk8lgNDz/YQoJFvIeLBYqn9G7CK7NHQ5M9Pmh7kJP23A4tmFfwSae0cMDL8GU6hokZo7X8JuZmsQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.72.199 with SMTP id f7mr4320895lbv.17.1460149137427; Fri, 08 Apr 2016 13:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.25.166.148 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:58:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20160401090050.GA24677@savin.petertodd.org> <5702F257.6010700@musalbas.com> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 10:58:57 -1000 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: From: Timo Hanke To: Marek Palatinus Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c24064a7d751052fff76ad X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:S5Nkjq9THnmTqOk3Wz79bdmE1gjSg7dQ8v7u7nfprn4VNacrkPv Gt8+scv1D6teOypCyW1Gd4Bfw+O6+0Y4Oequkb3o5mmx04aS2O+dUE/tcw3z95/VO0M0pZ7 LCz+dWL/SyT3xQTYVIsORLpcyTxaO7Edwu0zpqrFiiruvvnc2Zye+zeYbIhjTUBpP2j7j5V eGvtQpwVZ4NPmPkK/edrQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:Is+sEdtNuYM=:7BY568xV7yXyMBvvEzvyJc qIr9UF5inaC2ve6W+V2YBIpxCgHunP9uy2gzqpREABSoKMbQQufunks3FYH6UhFvmmfnWwPkz 6+N4lUGpJC2CwxGIIV975am519d5Ru9DZwbhh8as4hXhUsd8I4GXcZIAU8RZl4Mxl6Go5QjUd js1+GKYFMUIWGDn9T1mY773+BBtq3uttmh5mHAjTVkMzUZChBRVbbZwfWnQd9p36uOWzKefsq Y7Lu7X5lDkI5MY2mSA4Ebvwguu+gG+Lnz4vSGw3qdXeOBubN5QtJkiYjtahAccW+cfFjqzWcy CfiXtgcPfKeL4aS8sZKlf5QgDleVfR27j1Jpbswv8iPwVYDu2scC7RXmr+5JiuDC1nt+awPRf P5k1+K6OqCC1gbJqF30i7K73W2F9m/LuQexKZUm/4stEYhgL/fULbbO/04F4k1X4Udo3oqMnR 1dPWhJtVY8SIuSe0h9gvPGnrdgvWwGj7vrlAXFmKyEvQNSdREOiDgXaq7WJcKeysm0+FhViAy XpnDAPKbewOBPfjEq4Aeo5AwPzfZ90K+UHb2/F+sdjnEfVDf2gbyx/dF+DW7/1oLaldNEskFg Yl+YM6AkycB9jDa8gQzP7pekzuHGbtyZnaDmRNcPoabdacHlbB7IeaWtZCR7AdXotreMb1a7e /P6aC8s1BVzuAKcRrdEraknkPpAIhqnEOz8hd7FY4sEzdbWcYNH/2sBQiOV3TOHQ6RE7nHLCN KyTNuzjZ+7McLPeiNxClKZuOlTRsESORGTeAnTyjty6UWiNrjnBkmbJFMBLWaIqa1S7G8Ap2s V39Wzov X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 22:03:09 +0000 Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] AsicBoost X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 20:59:03 -0000 --001a11c24064a7d751052fff76ad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Slush, You can actually detect the use of this improvement by looking at the I/O of the chip, the I/O of an on-board micro-controller or even at the system I/O because all the communication including the mining pool protocol is different. Timo On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Marek Palatinus wrote: > To my understanding it is purely software thing. It cannot be detected > from outside if miner uses this improvement or not. So patenting it is > worthless. > > slush > > On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 1:01 AM, Mustafa Al-Bassam via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> Alternatively scenario: it will cause a sudden increase of Bitcoin mines >> in countries where the algorithm is not patented, possibly causing a >> geographical decentralization of miners from countries that already have a >> lot of miners like China (if it is patented in China). >> >> On 01/04/16 10:00, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 09:41:40PM -0700, Timo Hanke via bitcoin-dev wrote: >> >> Hi. >> >> I'd like to announce a white paper that describes a very new and >> significant algorithmic improvement to the Bitcoin mining process which has >> never been discussed in public before. The white paper can be found here: >> http://www.math.rwth-aachen.de/~Timo.Hanke/AsicBoostWhitepaperrev5.pdf >> >> What steps are you going to take to make sure that this improvement is >> available to all ASIC designers/mfgs on a equal opportunity basis? >> >> The fact that you've chosen to patent this improvement could be a >> centralization concern depending on the licensing model used. For example, one >> could imagine a licensing model that gave one manufacture exclusive rights. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing listbitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.orghttps://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> >> > --001a11c24064a7d751052fff76ad Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Slush,

You can actually detect the use = of this improvement by looking at the I/O of the chip, the I/O of an on-boa= rd micro-controller or even at the system I/O because all the communication= including the mining pool protocol is different.=C2=A0

Timo

On = Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 1:57 AM, Marek Palatinus <marek@palatinus.cz>= wrote:
To my und= erstanding it is purely software thing. It cannot be detected from outside = if miner uses this improvement or not. So patenting it is worthless.
slush

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at= 1:01 AM, Mustafa Al-Bassam via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin= -dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
Alternatively scenario: it will cause a sudden increase of Bitcoin mines in countries where the algorithm is not patented, possibly causing a geographical decentralization of miners from countries that already have a lot of miners like China (if it is patented in China).

On 01/04/16 10:00, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote:
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 09:41:40PM -0700, Timo Hanke via bitcoin=
-dev wrote:

Hi.

I'd like to announce a white paper that describes a very new and
significant algorithmic improvement to the Bitcoin mining process which has
never been discussed in public before. The white paper can be found here:

http://www.math.rwth-aachen.de/~Timo.Hanke/AsicBo=
ostWhitepaperrev5.pdf

What steps are you going to take to make sure that this improvem=
ent is
available to all ASIC designers/mfgs on a equal opportunity basis?

The fact that you've chosen to patent this improvement could be a
centralization concern depending on the licensing model used. For example, =
one
could imagine a licensing model that gave one manufacture exclusive rights.




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