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From: Bram Cohen <bram@chia.net>
To: Jim Posen <jim.posen@gmail.com>,
	 Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
	<bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] TXO bitfield size graphs
Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 19:43:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHUJnBC=Af2t-48n1MFMwRq945GRZGjzc4ZA2NO2JEB3xOQUtg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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You compressed something which is truly natively a bitfield using regular
compression algorithms? That is expected to get horrible results. Much
better would be something which handles it natively, say doing run length
encoding on the number of repeated bits and compressing that using elias
omega encoding. That is suboptimal in a few ways but has the advantage of
working well both on things which are mostly zeros or mostly ones, and only
performs badly on truly random bits.

It isn't super clear how relevant this information is. The TXO bitfield is
fairly small to begin with, and to compress the data in real time would
require a special data structure which gets worse compression than straight
compressing the whole thing and has slower lookups than an uncompressed
version. Writing such a thing sounds like an interesting project though.

On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 4:48 PM, Jim Posen via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:

> I decided to look into the metrics around compression ratios of TXO
> bitfields, as proposed by Bram Cohen [1]. I'm specifically interested in
> the feasibility of committing to them with block headers. In combination
> with block commitments to TXOs themselves, this would enable UTXO
> inclusion/exclusion proofs for light clients.
>
> First, looking just at proofs of inclusion in the UTXO set, each block
> needs what Bram calls a "proof of position." Concretely, one such
> construction is a Merkle root over all of the block's newly created coins,
> including their output data (scriptPubKey + amount), the outpoint (txid +
> index), and an absolute index of the output in the entire blockchain. A
> Merkle branch in this tree constitutes a proof of position. Alternatively,
> the "position", rather than being an absolute index in the chain, could be
> a block hash plus an output index within the block.
>
> Let's say we use the absolute index in the chain as position. A TXO
> spentness bitfield can be constructed for the entire chain, which is added
> to when new coins are created and modified when they are spent. In order to
> compactly prove spentness in this bitfield to a client, one could chunk up
> the bitfield and construct a Merkle Mountain Range [2] over the chunks.
> Instead of building an MMR over outputs themselves, as proposed by Peter
> Todd [3], an MMR constructed over bitfield chunks grows far slower, by a
> large constant factor. Slower growth means faster updates.
>
> So there's the question of how much these bitfields can be compressed. We
> expect some decent level because patterns of spending coins are very
> non-random.
>
> The top graph in the attached figure shows the compression ratios possible
> on a TXO bitfield split into 4 KiB chunks, using gzip (level=9) and lz4.
> Data was collected at block height 523,303. You can see that the
> compression ratio is much lower for older chunks and is worse for more
> recent blocks. Over the entire history, gzip achieves 34.4%, lz4 54.8%,
> and bz2 37.6%. I'm kind of surprised that the ratios are not lower with
> off-the-shelf algorithms. And that gzip performs better than bz2 (it seems
> to be a factor of the chunk size?).
>
> Alternatively, we can look at bitfields stored separately by block, which
> is more compatible with constructions where an output's position is its
> block hash plus relative index. The per-block bitfield sizes are shown in
> the bottom graph. The compression ratios overall are 50% for gzip, 70% for
> lz4, and 61.5% for bz2.
>
> [1] https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/
> bitcoin-dev/2017-March/013928.html
> [2] https://github.com/opentimestamps/opentimestamps-
> server/blob/master/doc/merkle-mountain-range.md
> [3] https://petertodd.org/2016/delayed-txo-commitments
>
>
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Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-23 23:48 [bitcoin-dev] TXO bitfield size graphs Jim Posen
2018-05-24  2:43 ` Bram Cohen [this message]
2018-05-24  4:02   ` Jim Posen

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