* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 2:09 Luke Dashjr
@ 2021-04-23 3:36 ` Jeremy
2021-04-23 7:49 ` John Newbery
2021-04-23 7:50 ` Pindar Wong
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From: Jeremy @ 2021-04-23 3:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luke Dashjr, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK adding Kalle.
Kalle is a qualified reviewer / editor and well suited for this role.
--
@JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
<https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 7:09 PM Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>
> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should be
> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>
> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>
> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we can
> go
> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
> BIP
> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>
> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>
> Luke
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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2021-04-23 3:36 ` Jeremy
@ 2021-04-23 7:49 ` John Newbery
0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: John Newbery @ 2021-04-23 7:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK adding Kalle.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 4:36 AM Jeremy via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> ACK adding Kalle.
>
> Kalle is a qualified reviewer / editor and well suited for this role.
> --
> @JeremyRubin <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
> <https://twitter.com/JeremyRubin>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 7:09 PM Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
>> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>>
>> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should
>> be
>> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>>
>> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
>> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
>> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
>> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
>> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>>
>> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
>> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we
>> can go
>> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
>> BIP
>> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>>
>> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>>
>> Luke
>> _______________________________________________
>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 2:09 Luke Dashjr
2021-04-23 3:36 ` Jeremy
@ 2021-04-23 7:50 ` Pindar Wong
2021-04-23 9:11 ` Eric Martindale
2021-04-23 15:34 ` Antoine Riard
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From: Pindar Wong @ 2021-04-23 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luke Dashjr, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK.
p.
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>
> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should be
> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>
> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>
> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we can
> go
> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
> BIP
> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>
> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>
> Luke
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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2021-04-23 7:50 ` Pindar Wong
@ 2021-04-23 9:11 ` Eric Martindale
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From: Eric Martindale @ 2021-04-23 9:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Pindar Wong, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK. Kalle has been exceptional throughout his contributions — especially
thankful for btcdeb 🙏
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021, 3:51 AM Pindar Wong via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> ACK.
>
> p.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 10:09 AM Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>
>> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
>> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>>
>> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should
>> be
>> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>>
>> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
>> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
>> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
>> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
>> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>>
>> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
>> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we
>> can go
>> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
>> BIP
>> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>>
>> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>>
>> Luke
>> _______________________________________________
>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 2:09 Luke Dashjr
2021-04-23 3:36 ` Jeremy
2021-04-23 7:50 ` Pindar Wong
@ 2021-04-23 15:34 ` Antoine Riard
2021-04-24 10:16 ` nopara73
2021-04-26 15:02 ` Sjors Provoost
2021-04-26 18:13 ` W. J. van der Laan
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From: Antoine Riard @ 2021-04-23 15:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luke Dashjr, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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Hi Luke,
For the records and the subscribers of this list not following
#bitcoin-core-dev, this mail follows a discussion which did happen during
yesterday irc meetings.
Logs here : http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/2021-04-22.log
I'll reiterate my opinion expressed during the meeting. If this proposal to
extend the bip editorship membership doesn't satisfy parties involved or
anyone in the community, I'm strongly opposed to have the matter sliced by
admins of the Bitcoin github org. I believe that defect or uncertainty in
the BIP Process shouldn't be solved by GH janitorial roles and I think
their roles don't bestow to intervene in case of loopholes. Further, you
have far more contributors involved in the BIP Process rather than only
Bitcoin Core ones. FWIW, such precedent merits would be quite similar to
lobby directly GH staff...
Unless we harm Bitcoin users by not acting, I think we should always be
respectful of procedural forms. And in the lack of such forms, stay patient
until a solution satisfy everyone.
I would recommend the BIP editorship, once extended or not, to move in its
own repository in the future.
Cheers,
Antoine
Le jeu. 22 avr. 2021 à 22:09, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> a écrit :
> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>
> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should be
> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>
> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>
> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we can
> go
> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
> BIP
> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>
> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>
> Luke
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 15:34 ` Antoine Riard
@ 2021-04-24 10:16 ` nopara73
0 siblings, 0 replies; 17+ messages in thread
From: nopara73 @ 2021-04-24 10:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Antoine Riard, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK adding Kalle
On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 5:51 PM Antoine Riard via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Hi Luke,
>
> For the records and the subscribers of this list not following
> #bitcoin-core-dev, this mail follows a discussion which did happen during
> yesterday irc meetings.
> Logs here : http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/2021-04-22.log
>
> I'll reiterate my opinion expressed during the meeting. If this proposal
> to extend the bip editorship membership doesn't satisfy parties involved or
> anyone in the community, I'm strongly opposed to have the matter sliced by
> admins of the Bitcoin github org. I believe that defect or uncertainty in
> the BIP Process shouldn't be solved by GH janitorial roles and I think
> their roles don't bestow to intervene in case of loopholes. Further, you
> have far more contributors involved in the BIP Process rather than only
> Bitcoin Core ones. FWIW, such precedent merits would be quite similar to
> lobby directly GH staff...
>
> Unless we harm Bitcoin users by not acting, I think we should always be
> respectful of procedural forms. And in the lack of such forms, stay patient
> until a solution satisfy everyone.
>
> I would recommend the BIP editorship, once extended or not, to move in its
> own repository in the future.
>
> Cheers,
> Antoine
>
>
>
>
> Le jeu. 22 avr. 2021 à 22:09, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> a écrit :
>
>> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
>> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>>
>> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should
>> be
>> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>>
>> > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
>> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
>> > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
>> > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
>> > unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>>
>> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
>> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we
>> can go
>> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
>> BIP
>> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>>
>> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>>
>> Luke
>> _______________________________________________
>> bitcoin-dev mailing list
>> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
>> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
--
Best,
Ádám
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 2:09 Luke Dashjr
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2021-04-23 15:34 ` Antoine Riard
@ 2021-04-26 15:02 ` Sjors Provoost
2021-04-26 16:56 ` James O'Beirne
2021-04-26 18:13 ` W. J. van der Laan
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From: Sjors Provoost @ 2021-04-26 15:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Bitcoin Dev
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ACK for adding Kalle.
Recent drama aside, having a single editor is not ideal. There's currently 110 open pull requests to the BIPs repo.
- Sjors
> Op 23 apr. 2021, om 04:09 heeft Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> het volgende geschreven:
>
> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
>
> Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should be
> fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
>
>> A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
>> rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
>> rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
>> mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
>> unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
>
> A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
> unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we can go
> that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new BIP
> editors, so I think this should be fine.
>
> Please speak up soon if you disagree.
>
> Luke
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
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2021-04-26 15:02 ` Sjors Provoost
@ 2021-04-26 16:56 ` James O'Beirne
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From: James O'Beirne @ 2021-04-26 16:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sjors Provoost, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
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ACK for Kalle.
On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 09:55 Sjors Provoost via bitcoin-dev <
bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> ACK for adding Kalle.
>
> Recent drama aside, having a single editor is not ideal. There's currently
> 110 open pull requests to the BIPs repo.
>
> - Sjors
>
> > Op 23 apr. 2021, om 04:09 heeft Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> het volgende geschreven:
> >
> > Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> > assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
> >
> > Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should
> be
> > fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:
> >
> >> A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves
> >> rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have
> >> rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development
> >> mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
> >> unaddressed substantiated objections to it.
> >
> > A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
> > unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we
> can go
> > that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new
> BIP
> > editors, so I think this should be fine.
> >
> > Please speak up soon if you disagree.
> >
> > Luke
> > _______________________________________________
> > bitcoin-dev mailing list
> > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
> _______________________________________________
> bitcoin-dev mailing list
> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org
> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev
>
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* Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm
2021-04-23 2:09 Luke Dashjr
` (3 preceding siblings ...)
2021-04-26 15:02 ` Sjors Provoost
@ 2021-04-26 18:13 ` W. J. van der Laan
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From: W. J. van der Laan @ 2021-04-26 18:13 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Luke Dashjr, Bitcoin Protocol Discussion
On Friday, April 23rd, 2021 at 4:09 AM, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
> Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to
> assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.
ACK on adding Kalle.
I'm happy to finally see someone else interested in BIP maintainer role, for years no one really seemed to care about doing this mostly procedural/bureaucratic function, which is (part of) the reason Luke-Jr ended up as the only BIP maintainer for such a long time.
And I disagree that a bot could do this just as well. Auto-merging would open it up to all kinds of DoS attacks, vandalism, and low-effort scams that a person can easily ward against.
-W
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