On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 10:59 AM, Alan Reiner <etotheipi@gmail.com> wrote:

This isn't about "everyone's coffee".  This is about an absolute minimum amount of participation by people who wish to use the network.   If our goal is really for bitcoin to really be a global, open transaction network that makes money fluid, then 7tps is already a failure.  If even 5% of the world (350M people) was using the network for 1 tx per month (perhaps to open payment channels, or shift money between side chains), we'll be above 100 tps.  And that doesn't include all the non-individuals (organizations) that want to use it.

The goals of "a global transaction network" and "everyone must be able to run a full node with their $200 dell laptop" are not compatible.  We need to accept that a global transaction system cannot be fully/constantly audited by everyone and their mother.  The important feature of the network is that it is open and anyone *can* get the history and verify it.  But not everyone is required to.   Trying to promote a system where the history can be forever handled by a low-end PC is already falling out of reach, even with our miniscule 7 tps.  Clinging to that goal needlessly limits the capability for the network to scale to be a useful global payments system


To repeat, the very first point in my email reply was: "Agree that 7 tps is too low"  Never was it said that bit

Therefore a reply arguing against the low end is nonsense, and the relevant question remains on the table.

How high do you want to go - and can Layer 1 bitcoin really scale to get there?

It is highly disappointing to see people endorse "moar bitcoin volume!" with zero thinking behind that besides "adoption!"  Need to actually project what bitcoin looks like at the desired levels, what network resources are required to get to those levels -- including traffic to serve those SPV clients via P2P -- and then work backwards from that to see who can support it, and then work backwards to discern a maximum tps.

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Jeff Garzik
Bitcoin core developer and open source evangelist
BitPay, Inc.      https://bitpay.com/