From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YqO1G-0005xR-Qu for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 07 May 2015 15:47:26 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of bitpay.com designates 209.85.214.171 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.171; envelope-from=jgarzik@bitpay.com; helo=mail-ob0-f171.google.com; Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YqO1G-0005oI-6G for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 07 May 2015 15:47:26 +0000 Received: by obfe9 with SMTP id e9so34578676obf.1 for ; Thu, 07 May 2015 08:47:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=pixl84jMARTDt4BOqxw4eilB1WyvWZNAQtLRxqQWBKk=; b=ZeRgjSAfL1I7c2qmUs61l3tCjDnbRj94h0u7f4DQHCoxEmZW80W3UcaWOiPNZ0W2cZ jviKfGUJt3Q7GIPYUm5sWXoskWVh1j9gIIZmxWkeDfG1KbHMKqCGNJVO0gQaiMHd6z+E acYNMVTpwU58Qf7rxTALbXsS0iIuWmfqAKa3574i0vEc78BynjuZ65fIJriPhb7qwisq qbHuLHVydgpQVM5a2gd4Shd+9TfR68fIHcRke27eAt7PyIivwnz3ZVwFZR7aa/XKh6s/ y588JctwuWkv0Hhr3wTqhkK383cnkEAJHOuqbt1ezf5WL4846ltbp/z6h1tSHvvWOG+V ywzw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQklv2SWwhL6nE6t9XORPjKkg5J85wulY/BjbVyVTqUqoxxD+6VOXbZ415HwvTpaH3s3W4/n X-Received: by 10.202.102.199 with SMTP id m68mr3529048oik.98.1431013640732; Thu, 07 May 2015 08:47:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.108.149 with HTTP; Thu, 7 May 2015 08:47:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <554B85D9.4010304@localhost.local> References: <554A91BE.6060105@bluematt.me> <554B78DE.20600@localhost.local> <554B81E2.6070607@localhost.local> <554B85D9.4010304@localhost.local> From: Jeff Garzik Date: Thu, 7 May 2015 11:47:00 -0400 Message-ID: To: Justus Ranvier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1140a26ab9946605157fd3bd X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1YqO1G-0005oI-6G Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Block Size Increase X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 May 2015 15:47:26 -0000 --001a1140a26ab9946605157fd3bd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Thu, May 7, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Justus Ranvier wrote: > In summary, I asked a question neither you, nor Peter Todd, want to > answer and want to actively discourage people from even asking at all. > Incorrect; your question included built-in assumptions with which I disagree. Bitcoin needs to be the best it can be (Layer 1), but all solutions cannot and should not be implemented at Layer 1. We need to scale up both bitcoin (L1) and solutions built on top of bitcoin (L2). --001a1140a26ab9946605157fd3bd Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= hu, May 7, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Justus Ranvier <justusranvier@riseup= .net> wrote:
In summary, I = asked a question neither you, nor Peter Todd, want to
answer and want to actively discourage people from even asking at all.
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Incorrect; your question included built-in = assumptions with which I disagree.

Bitcoin needs to be th= e best it can be (Layer 1), but all solutions cannot and should not be impl= emented at Layer 1.

We need to scale up both bitcoin (L1)= and solutions built on top of bitcoin (L2).




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