From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1WN4hR-0006wr-2b for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:13:17 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of bitpay.com designates 74.125.82.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.177; envelope-from=jgarzik@bitpay.com; helo=mail-we0-f177.google.com; Received: from mail-we0-f177.google.com ([74.125.82.177]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1WN4hP-0003zj-SM for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:13:17 +0000 Received: by mail-we0-f177.google.com with SMTP id u57so8995113wes.36 for ; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:13:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=iMwv+sS7yaVZj11a8dAaqRckQqqUagGnXwbwPzBhAoI=; b=dAaI/sjRbpwifk/fQRrN5dXOJYb9tgx+Eoksam6tsbUCWN8g4CvXxhFE6NapVMs1WJ 7ecm/+gFoXaFSQCFrtXayEZTRQ5ZzmOR0EQTJ4D34sSMWkrxhbbr9txaD1XDhXcpkWi3 Rrmp/ZR3ZTfsQchaUYGB+alcZSRSerzXKe+y1kuY05r5efPMCwDikf5sVwjMXMD/lLR0 3QxAVeEHBm4x0DfqG5f1ox9iQXTofW6jtEN3UHB3WUo+h51cdHBu+o5UY8Y5ap062yJH Ke2T6NaACqs3eO2kUeapvjSMvJHUGzELtyoTP3bjsQBi0Vpnd4xLR+0nWdrDTWZ/f8rS hqww== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQk/nWZYVguq39fpcSXhDMkul3gn5booN7f5yslUMU3AMVQFt4HpWp/o+YJga/7G1eTXWU+C X-Received: by 10.194.20.65 with SMTP id l1mr9876297wje.39.1394475189249; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:13:09 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.82.197 with HTTP; Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:12:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Jeff Garzik Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 14:12:49 -0400 Message-ID: To: Drak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1WN4hP-0003zj-SM Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Multisign payment protocol? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 18:13:17 -0000 Payment protocol currently supports payments to multi-sig addresses. In general, almost all wallet software sucks RE multisig. Just try any of these actions in Bitcoin-Qt or another wallet: * obtain a public key you control, given a bitcoin address * easily share public keys * easily share partially signed transactions * build a P2SH multisig address from public keys, reliably. Right now, participants have no idea about pubkey order, leading various N possible P2SH addresses, given a list of public keys. Reproducing the P2SH address is harder than it should be. * track "partially controlled" balance (balance of coins of which you may sign at least 1 of N) * support for remote oracles and services that provide 1-of-N signatures etc. On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Drak wrote: > I was wondering if there would be merit in a kind of BIP for a payment > protocol using multisig? > > Currently, setting up a multisig is quite a feat. Users have to exchange > public keys, work out how to get the public keys from their addresses. If > one of the parties are not savvy enough, an malicious party could easily be > setup that was 2 of 3 instead of 2 of 2 where the malicious party generates > the multisig address+script and thus be able to run off with funds anyway. > > It's also terribly complex to generate and keep track of. There's been a > nice attempt at creating an browser interface at coinb.in/multisig but it > still lacks the kind of ease with created by the payment protocol. If there > was a BIP then it would go a long way to aiding future usability of multisig > wallet implementations. > > What are your thoughts? > > Drak > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book > "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their > applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, > this first edition is now available. 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