From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [140.211.166.138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA47C000A for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2021 23:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0D6384377 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2021 23:33:14 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.602 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.602 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp1.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YRenyYbuS0U4 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2021 23:33:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 00:30:39 by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-oi1-x236.google.com (mail-oi1-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::236]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C45B784374 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2021 23:33:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-oi1-x236.google.com with SMTP id q203so4999825oih.5 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2021 15:33:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=plTRR4XNNcc70VD51ucBD+VHjs2WhCIkFzy4ilMQMc4=; b=C+swfyktXZ0ClcVYaxxWHjj+BwzzhAtH9of48d3DpzchWlwaApHDeXgSqoH9j7z8NY d/hphmMPN8Sau2DkhNlO2VEGqtDjieloXQG51Km908Q+WMJShgcCeRTtmieTKdAERCjN FP+tb3miglIlSouibmibV0knjgeX+dlKh38Pz+N2UlfPdMVVSr8llDsdcC3S0UZDaHk3 8UffnHXIDa4IFkdW92XvJd+8MP2q+47gY8G9Kw3QHHgPxhLZhHmeZ9FRDpuA61UZcXba KFhaK6EJer7rCHHusDJtfFv+l/1cJuZ4UdnNAM3wCVj70z733xcR7DZRJBZO54yFghAf 3Gww== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=plTRR4XNNcc70VD51ucBD+VHjs2WhCIkFzy4ilMQMc4=; b=jtDoBVZQhKMzKJuPVuyCAJ+Qd1QOHwyzEraiTVmJUr9l9Nz+oV1f7bLPsoc+Pil6+N 3o3PL0rWGwN5LATyiR7YNMtX3PbEYlV5Aac/Jbs4N8T5vAuSCrLGL4yitE0BW5uoUg9f eSEkh1qX2eUBYbS3noB+Zha0B0NyzC0/Gktm/79bURKBb7m0dNuQKKD4fK793C3Uvx+p pFU0E1butBPrduXcOUeroWfX59gMWj+cIqQw71478MUKl60aqrY7JKOS/DIQFSUpFPND yQjJ4dAJRpUFV4hr10squ9XvbZrYZg07sMlh2ippjyq0RxkXO9+iGefAnrtR+69yg9e8 E09w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530xgFxC1c+1UieJpTLbhDb+f4pWR+2PXPb+qlmc5srWLxxrEgf4 f+OOYFZZRSG3iM75/Ww+0e7YIeI8NufddLpWUHs0X4Jfxr7FmM79 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwpFJQA3OO/mtPsFjSTkdhnJVjCKh5sDrhpX49T3m0QQWN5j+tf/kOadHVJkMB00nZLCZPWXpSTssPY41lUAyU= X-Received: by 2002:aca:d68e:: with SMTP id n136mr953394oig.179.1614812547148; Wed, 03 Mar 2021 15:02:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: John Rand Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 23:02:14 +0000 Message-ID: To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000406f3305bca9d8aa" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Mar 2021 09:06:54 +0000 Subject: [bitcoin-dev] activation mechanism considerations X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2021 23:33:15 -0000 --000000000000406f3305bca9d8aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Consensus is important for both taproot and separately for the activation mechanism. There are more soft-forks that Bitcoin will need, so it is important to achieve positive progress on the activation topic also, not get impatient and rush something ill-considered. Not all future soft-forks maybe as widely supported as taproot, and yet it could become existentially critical that Bitcoin prevails in achieving a future upgrade in dramatic circumstances, even against powerful interests counter to Bitcoin user and investors interests. We should treat the activation topic in a considered way and with decorum, provide tight non-emotive reasoning devoid of frustration and impatience. This is a low drama and convenient time to incrementally improve activation. People have varied views about the deciding factor, or even which factors resulted in segwit activating after BIP 141 failed using BIP 9. We do not have to solve everything in one step, incremental improvement is good, for complex unintuitive topics, to learn as we go - and it should not be hard to do less badly than what transpired leading up to BIP 148 and BIP 91. Failure to upgrade if permanent, or demoralizing to protocol researchers could be a systemic risk in itself as there are more upgrades Bitcoin will need. We are not Ents but we should use our collective ingenuity to find an incremental improvement for activation. John R --000000000000406f3305bca9d8aa Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Consensus is important for both taproot and separately for= the activation mechanism.=C2=A0 There are more soft-forks that Bitcoin wil= l need, so it is important to achieve positive progress on the activation t= opic also, not get impatient and rush something ill-considered.=C2=A0 Not a= ll future soft-forks maybe as widely supported as taproot, and yet it could= become existentially critical that Bitcoin prevails in achieving a future = upgrade in dramatic circumstances, even against powerful interests counter = to Bitcoin user and investors interests.=C2=A0 We should treat the activati= on topic in a considered way and with decorum, provide tight non-emotive re= asoning devoid of frustration and impatience.=C2=A0 This is a low drama and= convenient time to incrementally improve activation.=C2=A0 People have var= ied views about the deciding factor, or even which factors resulted in segw= it activating after BIP 141 failed using BIP 9.=C2=A0 We do not have to sol= ve everything in one step, incremental improvement is good, for complex uni= ntuitive topics, to learn as we go - and it should not be hard to do less b= adly than what transpired leading up to BIP 148 and BIP 91.=C2=A0 Failure t= o upgrade if permanent, or demoralizing to protocol researchers could be a = systemic risk in itself as there are more upgrades Bitcoin will need.=C2=A0= We are not Ents but we should use our collective ingenuity to find an incr= emental improvement for activation.

John R
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