From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1YM0VD-000175-8J for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:36:47 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.212.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.180; envelope-from=allen.piscitello@gmail.com; helo=mail-wi0-f180.google.com; Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com ([209.85.212.180]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1YM0VB-0008TL-Cy for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:36:47 +0000 Received: by mail-wi0-f180.google.com with SMTP id h11so7428402wiw.1 for ; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:36:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.181.13.148 with SMTP id ey20mr9396265wid.79.1423773398719; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:36:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.194.48.105 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Feb 2015 12:36:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <54DD046B.3070507@riseup.net> References: <20150212064719.GA6563@savin.petertodd.org> <356E7F6E-300A-4127-9885-2183FB1DE447@gmail.com> <54DCECE4.3020802@riseup.net> <54DCFBB5.3080202@gmail.com> <54DD003E.2060508@riseup.net> <54DD046B.3070507@riseup.net> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 14:36:38 -0600 Message-ID: From: Allen Piscitello To: Justus Ranvier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c8268abe27f050eea13aa X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (allen.piscitello[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1YM0VB-0008TL-Cy Cc: Bitcoin Development Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] replace-by-fee v0.10.0rc4 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2015 20:36:47 -0000 --f46d043c8268abe27f050eea13aa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 You keep making moral judgements. Reality is, if you live in a world with arsonists, you need to have a building that won't catch on fire, or has fire extinguishers in place. Do not depend on arsonists ignoring you forever as your security model. Penetration testing to know what weaknesses exist, what limitations exist, and what can be improved is essential. Keeping your head in the sand and hoping people choose to do the right thing only ends one way. On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Justus Ranvier wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 02/12/2015 07:47 PM, Allen Piscitello wrote: > > Nothing will stop that. Bitcoin needs to deal with those issues, > > not stick our heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist out of > > benevolence. This isn't a pet solution, but the rules of the > > protocol and what is realistically possible given the nature of > > distributed consensus. Relying on altruism is a recipe for > > failure. > > If there's a risk of fire burning down wooden buildings, pass out fire > extinguishers and smoke detectors, not matches. > > The latter makes one an arsonist. > > - -- > Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible. > Learn how here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bakOKJFtB-k > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJU3QRrAAoJECpf2nDq2eYjLtwP/3t0uplMwjpt6MP0wrPwOfkJ > tRRyAaSkEsZi3+XjU2GVThG7kAlP2oIGFnoHc1QldhlEeWEJgPZyn7qq+mPx+I5+ > OKb0PhSwRpTe0lh+r1dGyVqN+sSfbasJ9RSXYPmw1OW9ud4WOsgOh+oBTQWfuhvc > p32Fxxx5JKjc4AnCVajSzNlPlXrBy3pFfL5F1ek4Wu+H0haz39VE/EYAWlXjyWxT > vhUzv+9bcy3r8pe3eYUAmsXYLZAKb/9hWJdht6SKd509BlV6LVSrUh8Y2SJ3PYKt > z3l4WmiUXkkdk1blqtLDyfUTEZSnBK8X4esj8Sp53WfOXNkgBKe1vr4EhTXaEQMU > KD1e5s12xspPYgJdW9TWacIYKp3Ft3yBODJOTNZL3j0ryzYA+KU5ZumdHIm10J3S > J1IDQBraONESinHybGPKYtUCikTkl6TemW/CpfjRhQONov4708FIg+KQAo6ui56N > otfDGEwqH1qKgbt5DugdEBtxDmYmcYdFjID2+ZLwK6ngat8UAw2dQoCnUtkZ7w+i > Oxz4cm1vIRjv+BYipQjg4IRRZNvpEXSolz6u91qqj8SlXXdY7sZ3B5HwtGSOVX5y > l3NxYVOazA/NA/zcCG9ZPjr/O5sKJ40IjcLbTHvE1POuiF167xF2+U2Sdf/43d9d > cE68utrIaurfJsDA/L/+ > =pTe/ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Dive into the World of Parallel Programming. 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You keep making moral judgements.=C2=A0 Reality is, if you= live in a world with arsonists, you need to have a building that won't= catch on fire, or has fire extinguishers in place.=C2=A0 Do not depend on = arsonists ignoring you forever as your security model.=C2=A0 Penetration te= sting to know what weaknesses exist, what limitations exist, and what can b= e improved is essential.=C2=A0 Keeping your head in the sand and hoping peo= ple choose to do the right thing only ends one way.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ju= stus Ranvier <justusranvier@riseup.net> wrote:
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On 02/12/2015 07:47 PM, Allen Piscitello wrote:
> Nothing will stop that.=C2=A0 Bitcoin needs to deal with those issues,=
> not stick our heads in the sand and pretend they don't exist out o= f
> benevolence. This isn't a pet solution, but the rules of the
> protocol and what is realistically possible given the nature of
> distributed consensus.=C2=A0 Relying on altruism is a recipe for
> failure.

If there's a risk of fire burning down wooden buildings, pass ou= t fire
extinguishers and smoke detectors, not matches.

The latter makes one an arsonist.

- --
Support online privacy by using email encryption whenever possible.
Learn how here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbakOKJFtB-k
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