From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3548C982 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:08:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-lf0-f49.google.com (mail-lf0-f49.google.com [209.85.215.49]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C53E13C for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:08:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-lf0-f49.google.com with SMTP id l131so209230568lfl.2 for ; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:08:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=palatinus-cz.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=xcMbjKijRqFNJ+SSz+yfSXTTvol1KWslxtvu4yAyp+M=; b=124CB/ukCFWKi+CQdPyi2PGjto8P/WzPgIiVrFNCjO6oAuGIglxAm805VYnM6HRKUQ z+9MRq64ehF9sjEKUTwOTDCxvGMoVTS9/aairZrepwxZBstQx389JuYErsONVkaMk8hO BkOhNtuUkHNIGxwS3Gy0Q5d+TtlpMsL/R1XKyaJH+2WDU6BbH/oe3mNp9TXpckhzTmP3 k8l4BAfSAmQMgXYUmQztc+FpMq9ILW0j2g7JqO5e7WejRtvKOrPjaToMyZYX1jvB3blh 2lWPCdjWDnsDagSaHe0pHsk2mKjn4T89rNXKl5cEzFPl5ZPsPhI9f5ydPb/CxJdaT1Jt IK2Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=xcMbjKijRqFNJ+SSz+yfSXTTvol1KWslxtvu4yAyp+M=; b=a1UyYBgAfy5bqZbQqBYy2ZhQqNvmBxBSIC7LtZqMtopriA8tYXO7KAiDdP1yHAsfNo EzUAqEnqkxuSXav7Pm8WACVSNFSmC4AO5bcCJUWbOiYmxF7TrDg3b4oJDNOr8orbn+O9 xfzNRCTDWCpI2skFxb/PmvibegiG2ROIC6LCMbsePXDFYLnt27JG4BSVpcA/MKwl6gln +jWG/kZYAZ7GS5RK7qQiL/omBjk0Zw0SIPPsTrDWvTYT9vm2vuIwpU7O3TSa96OmroMp oknCq/ALGjgeDbG3eHlpGL8ebl4HZd7yaZAix94IzJwqrtSuJ2ItkoZyZgEKmvWxDvfg GKsA== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RmV1RMc25Yg3PZYBVAVrsbPa7vWwbaVMwfChr6O2m9McANssJP19F+9s/xxyu5u1hi8ewU+YaMPa2ug+w== X-Received: by 10.195.17.165 with SMTP id gf5mr9123189wjd.114.1476652118588; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:08:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.43.135 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2016 14:08:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <7939356.11nSWPlGYM@strawberry> References: <2034434.4WpKWoeOrB@strawberry> <03831fcd-1fd5-b769-0b3b-41e996894e1f@vt.edu> <7939356.11nSWPlGYM@strawberry> From: Marek Palatinus Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 23:08:08 +0200 Message-ID: To: Tom Zander , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01681cdcfc58a8053f01dcab X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID, HTML_MESSAGE, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Start time for BIP141 (segwit) X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2016 21:08:41 -0000 --089e01681cdcfc58a8053f01dcab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > On Sunday, 16 October 2016 12:49:47 CEST Douglas Roark via bitcoin-dev > wrote: > > It's not the website's fault if wallet devs aren't updating their > > statuses. Besides, "WIP" can mean an awful lot of things. > > As I said, it would be nice to get an updated version so we can see more > than 20% readyness of wallets. > The wallet devs not caring enough to update the status should be a worrying > sign, though. > WIP for TREZOR means that we've made that hard part already (firwmare) so we know it is feasible, yet we didn't spend enough time on finalizing all the stack like our web wallet because we don't see any actual release date yet. Considering current battles on BU hashpower, we decided simply sit and watch (I already have popocorn). SegWit is probably the most disruptive and most invasive change ever made to > Bitcoin. We have miners actively saying they don't like it and this makes > it > a contriversial upgrade which means the network may split and other issues. > > There're also many wallets which are impatiently waiting for segwit to be released. Segwit is blessing for hardware wallets for many reasons. I actually think that rolling out Segwit will increase security, because it will reduce huge complexity in hardware wallets as it is today. Slush --089e01681cdcfc58a8053f01dcab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 10:58 PM, Tom Zander via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
On Sunday, 16 October 2016 12:49:47 CEST Douglas= Roark via bitcoin-dev
wrote:
> It's not the website's fault if wallet devs a= ren't updating their
> statuses. Besides, "WIP" can mean an awful lot of things.
As I said, it would be nice to get an updated version so we can see = more
than 20% readyness of wallets.
The wallet devs not caring enough to update the status should be a worrying=
sign, though.

WIP for TREZOR means that= we've made that hard part already (firwmare) so we know it is feasible= , yet we didn't spend enough time on finalizing all the stack like our = web wallet because we don't see any actual release date yet. Considerin= g current battles on BU hashpower, we decided simply sit and watch (I alrea= dy have popocorn).
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SegWit is probably the most disruptive and most invasive chan= ge ever made to
Bitcoin. We have miners actively saying they don't like it and this mak= es it
a contriversial upgrade which means the network may split and other issues.=


There're also many wallets which a= re impatiently waiting for segwit to be released. Segwit is blessing for ha= rdware wallets for many reasons. I actually think that rolling out Segwit w= ill increase security, because it will reduce huge complexity in hardware w= allets as it is today.
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