From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-1.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from <marek@palatinus.cz>) id 1WSWIo-0007QS-Q9 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:42:22 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-vc0-f172.google.com ([209.85.220.172]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1WSWIn-0007p9-Eu for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:42:22 +0000 Received: by mail-vc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id la4so1096270vcb.31 for <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:42:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=9d/+TLT3EpjK6frhJ6KLyTddgufzXgZlofzTh4jX/dg=; b=Ayf25uMlrSKvteFEGTEakT9vSL8DpkUOLHS+L3jNx8H3avW+MNoz3T/B5leDtzSf+P KPwP9W25CJedoXQ9IQTDjpDWpblwK3HWkYgLiYH4dTsZfsKYjSPfAWUOUFRt8HELYcVv JWrU/hOPPZfjBAD4EwWAOIT1Gvf6cD/4Pj4Qhf62ucCyL2xYHq2jwuxkN39KiQDdFGrJ 3mCYzBa/W+zJ3faoibV5LATHuLXtmePsUsTttJ9Js4poUBhx0efdl+nf21o1Fu6i7SFZ KtYQn081U/84qEcE2EfDCq6IW9RVG4ZVj2NB7Y3zL7PGibaj3zmtr1qak0i9vlc5VAkn qf1g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkAKkNgRKiNthXJSaTwsHdr+JWDZlNQdUxV69QVODuuxTo5AV0Wna5gecLiZEgwnDOZ0HGl X-Received: by 10.221.28.202 with SMTP id rv10mr3128898vcb.10.1395771246800; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:14:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: marek@palatinus.cz Received: by 10.58.252.66 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 11:13:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5331C49B.2000709@gmail.com> References: <20140322084702.GA13436@savin> <20140322150836.GG3180@nl.grid.coop> <20140322190825.GB6047@savin> <532DE7E6.4050304@monetize.io> <20140325122851.GA9818@savin> <CABsx9T149f9of9+sYMFazAxtRi=ZJrpA1B41buERD3+j7NGKmg@mail.gmail.com> <20140325134918.GB7929@savin> <CAJHLa0PR8v2FobPUsO73BKpvBZ3M2Zsx1F9SVGVb6TKv6zsjWw@mail.gmail.com> <5331C49B.2000709@gmail.com> From: slush <slush@centrum.cz> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 19:13:36 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: TTcpNdnuRsZ3YqvaIWzH_z_UEik Message-ID: <CAJna-HhL7StCb9pwKC22V3GZeDUEOBGaY6tCvv-Jk=5WOuek4Q@mail.gmail.com> To: Alan Reiner <etotheipi@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11337e045ab47404f572512b X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (slush[at]centrum.cz) 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Headers-End: 1WSWIn-0007p9-Eu Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Tree-chains preliminary summary X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: <bitcoin-development.lists.sourceforge.net> List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=bitcoin-development> List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net> List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development>, <mailto:bitcoin-development-request@lists.sourceforge.net?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 18:42:23 -0000 --001a11337e045ab47404f572512b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I fully agree, please keep friendly environment on this list. Btw I also met people who were making fun about Peter's reactions on bitcoin-dev. slush On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Alan Reiner <etotheipi@gmail.com> wrote: > I would echo the need for some kind of moderation. > > I believe Peter Todd is an extremely intelligent individual, who has a > lot to offer the Bitcoin community. He has a firm grasp of a lot of > really deep Bitcoin concepts and his *technical* insight is generally > positive. Technically. But the way he communicates on this list is > *extremely* corrosive and breeds hostility. It makes it a scary place > to discuss things, with frequent, public ridicule of everything posted. > > I agree that I would rather have a friendly environment to discuss > technicals, even if it means losing additional technical insight. > People who would explicitly insult other contributors intelligence and > character on a public list should be subject to some kind of negative > reinforcement. Maybe there's solutions other than outright banning. > > -Alan > > > > On 03/25/2014 01:37 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote: > > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> wrote: > >> For someone with 'Chief Scientist' as their job title, I'm surprised you > >> think so little of hard evidence and so much of idol worshipping. > > Peter, take this unprofessional, personal crap off-list. > > > > Mike's anecdote of hostility is not an isolated one. Just today, a > > bitcore developer commented on "Peter Todd's ..apocalyptic vision > > and... negative view on bitcoin" which turned off some other > > developers from participating more interactively. > > > > As I commented on IRC, open source projects are no strangers to people > > who simultaneously (a) make useful contributions and (b) turn > > potential contributors away with an abrasive or hostile attitude > > toward others. It's an unsolved problem in OSS, that I saw for 15+ > > years in the Linux kernel community. > > > > For this list, as Mike suggested on IRC, introducing an openly stated > > moderation policy may be the one route. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book > "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their > applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field, > this first edition is now available. Download your free book today! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > --001a11337e045ab47404f572512b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">I fully agree, please keep friendly environment on this li= st. Btw I also met people who were making fun about Peter's reactions o= n bitcoin-dev.<div><br></div><div>slush</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extr= a"> <br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Alan Re= iner <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:etotheipi@gmail.com" target=3D= "_blank">etotheipi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"= gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-= left:1ex"> I would echo the need for some kind of moderation.<br> <br> I believe Peter Todd is an extremely intelligent individual, who has a<br> lot to offer the Bitcoin community. =A0He has a firm grasp of a lot of<br> really deep Bitcoin concepts and his *technical* insight is generally<br> positive. =A0Technically. =A0But the way he communicates on this list is<br= > *extremely* corrosive and breeds hostility. =A0It makes it a scary place<br= > to discuss things, with frequent, public ridicule of everything posted.<br> <br> I agree that I would rather have a friendly environment to discuss<br> technicals, even if it means losing additional technical insight.<br> People who would explicitly insult other contributors intelligence and<br> character on a public list should be subject to some kind of negative<br> reinforcement. =A0 Maybe there's solutions other than outright banning.= <br> <span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br> -Alan<br> </font></span><div class=3D"im HOEnZb"><br> <br> <br> On 03/25/2014 01:37 PM, Jeff Garzik wrote:<br> > On Tue, Mar 25, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Peter Todd <<a href=3D"mailto:pete= @petertodd.org">pete@petertodd.org</a>> wrote:<br> >> For someone with 'Chief Scientist' as their job title, I&#= 39;m surprised you<br> >> think so little of hard evidence and so much of idol worshipping.<= br> > Peter, take this unprofessional, personal crap off-list.<br> ><br> > Mike's anecdote of hostility is not an isolated one. =A0Just today= , a<br> > bitcore developer commented on "Peter Todd's ..apocalyptic vi= sion<br> > and... negative view on bitcoin" which turned off some other<br> > developers from participating more interactively.<br> ><br> > As I commented on IRC, open source projects are no strangers to people= <br> > who simultaneously (a) make useful contributions and (b) turn<br> > potential contributors away with an abrasive or hostile attitude<br> > toward others. =A0It's an unsolved problem in OSS, that I saw for = 15+<br> > years in the Linux kernel community.<br> ><br> > For this list, as Mike suggested on IRC, introducing an openly stated<= br> > moderation policy may be the one route.<br> ><br> <br> <br> </div><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5">-----------------------------= -------------------------------------------------<br> Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book<br> "Graph Databases" is the definitive new guide to graph databases = and their<br> applications. Written by three acclaimed leaders in the field,<br> this first edition is now available. Download your free book today!<br> <a href=3D"http://p.sf.net/sfu/13534_NeoTech" target=3D"_blank">http://p.sf= .net/sfu/13534_NeoTech</a><br> _______________________________________________<br> Bitcoin-development mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net">Bitcoin-develo= pment@lists.sourceforge.net</a><br> <a href=3D"https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development= " target=3D"_blank">https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-de= velopment</a><br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> --001a11337e045ab47404f572512b--