From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VZRBF-0002pa-SW for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:06:53 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-vb0-f48.google.com ([209.85.212.48]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1VZRBF-0008Tk-0V for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:06:53 +0000 Received: by mail-vb0-f48.google.com with SMTP id w16so1604539vbf.7 for ; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:06:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=QjW37/xxbjDXVEps0r2kpYT9cknc/Dl6ezBapFp+X1U=; b=N5ooix6eQJDl3UOSm83QSlUCxzqTEvRduB8cV0F6wcc+GnP27aMIju0fz64PkLnbo3 0HjGxDpVeilthBuxu0wY0Glq2zwtzRrQG+Pa9i7FcNhPiIC6QMaadjfbKyYMcyQwSo7U u/+HuPXJGPaRqnYTjGPrbY1ZyYPbxNDkNvBgYmWDAQgfrCkGkGWAwbHeU8JXkL21OAlx KfqHrQc826YXNggUQVQAt3XeUV686g1EM8UKgI9NfymTvvHHALTHWX4KsybqoHBDSZbA EwmRjrWykGexYava8TdkC1BaCC1c5q0RpPBvfazN3FtnA1GcAfsJii9qrxeWizF20txb tC5w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnK0oqWGvrs618sGthWqBZmRGwFSxnt9j1fKVXAyQaK1WdIk/udSwUj0dJPotvLMY05Vd0A X-Received: by 10.221.21.133 with SMTP id qs5mr2231438vcb.28.1382643493107; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:38:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: marek@palatinus.cz Received: by 10.59.1.2 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Oct 2013 12:37:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <796AC330-56EF-43D2-9935-5409824A4F33@godofgod.co.uk> <0F445FFE-FA1A-4A64-9A28-C734E744B5F7@godofgod.co.uk> <5231AF5E.8080903@gk2.sk> <15F27A88-53BF-4149-A8FF-282350312B92@godofgod.co.uk> From: slush Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 21:37:43 +0200 X-Google-Sender-Auth: u0TmEyHj9VBhbYarJvcblvT8qeE Message-ID: To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Tim=F3n?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113378dc42353704e981c64f X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (slush[at]centrum.cz) 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: monetize.io] 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Headers-End: 1VZRBF-0008Tk-0V Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] BIP0039 Mnemonic code for generating deterministic keys X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 20:06:54 -0000 --001a113378dc42353704e981c64f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Jorge Tim=F3n wrote: > This will probably sound stupid to most of you, but I'll say it anyway. > > The aim of mnemonics is to easily remember, isn't it? > Well, I would say more "retype" than "remember". I really don't think that common user will memorize it. But of course, it is still an option. > But the approach of removing "offensive words" is probably > counterproductive to achieving that end. These words cause a greater > emotional impact in our human moral psyches. > No, I dont' think it is stupid! Actually it was my concern as well. Unfortunately I don't think it is "politically correct" to include all bitches, assholes and motherfuckers in end user product :-). > If we were willing to use that fact in our advantage to optimize the > "maximum unforgettableness" criterion, we should actually prefer the > most generally offensive words in that list. Specially if they can > combine with each other to produce more offensive results, basically > the opposite of what we're doing. > Isn't "legalize murder dirty jew" much easier to remember for most > people than "sandwich house yellow cauliflower"? > > Well, bip39 can have more dictionaries and *maybe* swearword dictionary would gain some popularity ;). slush --001a113378dc42353704e981c64f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Jorge Tim=F3n <jtimon= @monetize.io> wrote:
This will probably sound stupid to most of y= ou, but I'll say it anyway.

The aim of mnemonics is to easily remember, isn't it?
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Well, I would say more "retype" than &qu= ot;remember". I really don't think that common user will memorize = it. But of course, it is still an option.
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But the approach of removing "offensive words" is probably
counterproductive to achieving that end. These words cause a greater
emotional impact in our human moral psyches.

No, I dont' think it is stupid! Actually it was my concern = as well. Unfortunately I don't think it is "politically correct&qu= ot; to include all bitches, assholes and motherfuckers in end user product = :-).
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If we were willing to use that fact in our advantage to optimize the
"maximum unforgettableness" criterion, we should actually prefer = the
most generally offensive words in that list. Specially if they can
combine with each other to produce more offensive results, basically
the opposite of what we're doing.=A0

Isn't "legalize murder dirty jew" much easier to remember for= most
people than "sandwich house yellow cauliflower"?


Well, bip39 can have more dictio= naries and *maybe* swearword dictionary would gain some popularity ;).
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slush
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