From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.191] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-4.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Rmxqt-00030H-Na for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:28:43 +0000 X-ACL-Warn: Received: from mail-bk0-f47.google.com ([209.85.214.47]) by sog-mx-1.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1Rmxqs-0003at-4q for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:28:43 +0000 Received: by bkcjg15 with SMTP id jg15so6209005bkc.34 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:28:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.152.26 with SMTP id e26mr3371831bkw.87.1326761996364; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:59:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: marek@palatinus.cz Received: by 10.205.132.6 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:59:25 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F14C4EF.5070709@gmail.com> References: <1326665394.7032.YahooMailNeo@web121002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <1326760227.63298.YahooMailNeo@web121006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4F14C4EF.5070709@gmail.com> From: slush Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:59:25 +0100 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 9tLKesQr_nN6tX2wLKCUHPRJTig Message-ID: To: Alan Reiner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175df1ae7eab2004b6aed93e X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (slush[at]centrum.cz) 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message X-Headers-End: 1Rmxqs-0003at-4q Cc: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:28:43 -0000 --0015175df1ae7eab2004b6aed93e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > I agree Bitcoin should avoid making any bold political stands. I agree on this. Please don't turn Bitcoin project/homepage into some political agitation. Not everybody care about political attitude of main project developers. slush On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 1:46 AM, Alan Reiner wrote: > ** > You guys are representing both extremes of the issue. In response to Jeff > and Luke-Jr, I don't see how this is *just any other poltical issue*. It > strikes at the heart of everything Bitcoin is about. Barring > Bitcoin-specific legislation, I don't see how any legislation could be more > relevant to Bitcoin and the community around it. > > On the other hand, Bitcoin is still a non-entity, and shouldn't get in the > business of making statements. A central voice for Bitcoin gives the > impression that it is actually centralized, and one that has opinions. > Plus I wouldn't be surprised if some, heavily-invested Bitcoin users were > of the opinion that SOPA/PIPA/whatever could be a huge profit for > themselves: once SOPA kicks in and businesses around the world start > getting cut off for legit or illegitimate purposes, a lot of them could > potentially switch to Bitcoin to keep their business going. That could be > a huge boon for Bitcoin. You may not agree it's worth the tradeoff, but > people are selfish and may not actually understand or even care about SOPA > legislation itself. > > I think it's *not inappropriate* for something to be mentioned on the > website about Bitcoin's philosophy being threatened by SOPA, but I agree > Bitcoin should avoid making any bold political stands. Users could be > reminded that SOPA affects yet another thing they care about, but it might > be better to avoid it altogether. If any response is made, it should be a > very light one. > > -Alan > > > > On 01/16/2012 07:30 PM, Amir Taaki wrote: > > Bunk argument. This is an issue that affects bitcoin directly. > > Wikipedia has far more need to remain neutral and apolitical than bitcoin ever does- you've read Satoshi's politically charged whitepaper or seen the genesis block quote. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Action > > The Wikipedia community decided on a full and global blackout. Bitcoin should do the same in unison with the rest of the web- sites like Reddit, 4chan and Wikipedia. > > It's funny / almost comical how you consign this to being just another issue or case of moral alarm. Sad. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jeff Garzik > To: Amir Taaki > Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:37 PM > Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Amir Taaki wrote: > > How is this not the most important world issue right now? > > EVERYTHING is under threat. Go nuclear to show our nerd-rage. > > Everybody blank your personal sites too. Americans, take to the streets. World, go scream at the US embassy. > > There are always issues that raise ire and moral outrage. I would > rather that bitcoin.org stay apolitical -- our users will appreciate > this in the long run. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Keep Your Developer Skills Current with LearnDevNow! > The most comprehensive online learning library for Microsoft developers > is just $99.99! Visual Studio, SharePoint, SQL - plus HTML5, CSS3, MVC3, > Metro Style Apps, more. Free future releases when you subscribe now! > http://p.sf.net/sfu/learndevnow-d2d > _______________________________________________ > Bitcoin-development mailing list > Bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bitcoin-development > > --0015175df1ae7eab2004b6aed93e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > =A0I agree Bitcoin should avoid making any bold political stands.=A0
I agree on this. Please don't turn Bitcoin project/ho= mepage into some political agitation. Not everybody care about political at= titude of main project developers.

slush

On Tue, Jan 17,= 2012 at 1:46 AM, Alan Reiner <etotheipi@gmail.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
You guys are representing both extremes of the issue.=A0 In response to Jeff and Luke-Jr, I don't see how this is just any other poltical issue.=A0 It strikes at the heart of everything Bitcoin is about.=A0 Barring Bitcoin-specific legislation, I don't see how = any legislation could be more relevant to Bitcoin and the community around it.

On the other hand, Bitcoin is still a non-entity, and shouldn't get in the business of making statements.=A0 A central voice for Bitcoin gives the impression that it is actually centralized, and one that has opinions.=A0 Plus I wouldn't be surprised if some, heavily-invested Bitcoin users were of the opinion that SOPA/PIPA/whatever could be a huge profit for themselves:=A0 once SOPA kicks in and businesses around the world start getting cut off for legit or illegitimate purposes, a lot of them could potentially switch to Bitcoin to keep their business going.=A0 That could be a huge boon for Bitcoin.=A0 You may not agree it's worth the tradeoff= , but people are selfish and may not actually understand or even care about SOPA legislation itself.

I think it's not inappropriate for something to be mentioned on the website about Bitcoin's philosophy being threatened by SOPA, but I agree Bitcoin should avoid making any bold political stands.=A0 Users could be reminded that SOPA affects yet another thing they care about, but it might be better to avoid it altogether.=A0 If any response is made, it should be a very light one.=

-Alan



On 01/16/2012 07:30 PM, Amir Taaki wrote: 
Bunk argument. This is an issue that affects bitcoin directly.

Wikipedia has far more need to remain neutral and apolitical than bitcoin e=
ver does- you've read Satoshi's politically charged whitepaper or s=
een the genesis block quote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SOPA_initiative/Act=
ion

The Wikipedia community decided on a full and global blackout. Bitcoin shou=
ld do the same in unison with the rest of the web- sites like Reddit, 4chan=
 and Wikipedia.

It's funny / almost comical how you consign this to being just another =
issue or case of moral alarm. Sad.



----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Garzik =
<jgarzik@exmulti.com>
To: Amir Taaki <z=
genjix@yahoo.com>
Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net" <=
;bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] bitcoin.org SOPA/PIPA blackout

On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Amir Taaki <zgenjix@yahoo.com> wrote:

How is this not the most important world issue right now?

EVERYTHING is under threat. Go nuclear to show our nerd-rage.

Everybody blank your personal sites too. Americans, take to the streets. Wo=
rld, go scream at the US embassy.

There are always issues that raise ire and moral outrage.=A0 I w=
ould
rather that bitcoin.org stay apolitical -- our users will appreciate
this in the long run.


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