From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 028B4BF1 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:58:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wm0-f53.google.com (mail-wm0-f53.google.com [74.125.82.53]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E98B0162 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:58:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f53.google.com with SMTP id n3so59600789wmn.0 for ; Wed, 06 Apr 2016 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=palatinus-cz.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=GEPfzkOsvOJktBbfEgqf8W65JMX3Xc1tBTxzcZ9VlhY=; b=ap/7eJUw+oAIxCONT0U7WaZRDFlj1qhiGZ2nwJLOHxW3dgam1rVUuxL0qIcisJP1Ac 4qk1Csxechfp+1rUI6MLn5ieorpj/xmqTaWH1KxWxJ36a6iXHcVeRaqSOP6j1gkgD4SF nMmHbJoR7LF6jGhBwBX3K8ViRwybKN1lkdY5qEOn9blkfwtQQSzD6VLziLJMnldXiAMG ARGz0okhI4v4krwxuE3OuEJWUC+sxT6UBWMvasxBovuJfy/VcadUAszFZU8rJbr9W8dL a17cTjVdCM0pLkZkO5PQVxxuSp6CpSDzJSky8Vpk/K58wU4ZzF9eMFpV/tz3ymiThVpE +gfQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GEPfzkOsvOJktBbfEgqf8W65JMX3Xc1tBTxzcZ9VlhY=; b=PYzj2Zzrj4/TQq7a3ZKZL55Yvg2BngRb7eS9RAFE68BuyyG3oW8gTlbReRBJIy+MlI G1igQWD2Ktjdmma+Uh9M1ClKI8/anbjTs7tjoGj9duoWroWtFX4FCHPR80I6udQK2ea/ VWwSSnl+Mb56vpID+ofgxo8wq7FJMyy6QaawVrcKoApURtAbZoInklMK+w41+kY+HXcB vtANu0tnSpcrdRB7xO3CAvCqkk3QmMseZtLjW0m2Mj+0z+OyZ4crOUrat30x3G9qLJXc iR1A9Wo6dQWs9lKWZUcz6Ii6B6pKYAVM5ae90RtixrIx5obGC1IAEv98dVMqQ1fVcfsS uSow== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJL0JDlQlrg4gmJ0xzO4PxexQFsYUVzIP2Sbzeyk/D5F/83pJg+OzeRJZxQ7FBLgJwBvRjgiEGi9C4cguA== X-Received: by 10.28.147.8 with SMTP id v8mr2533789wmd.92.1459943880450; Wed, 06 Apr 2016 04:58:00 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.28.64.65 with HTTP; Wed, 6 Apr 2016 04:57:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5702F257.6010700@musalbas.com> References: <20160401090050.GA24677@savin.petertodd.org> <5702F257.6010700@musalbas.com> From: Marek Palatinus Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:57:31 +0200 Message-ID: To: Mustafa Al-Bassam Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114733ac631b19052fcfac86 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 14:59:55 +0000 Cc: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] AsicBoost X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2016 11:58:03 -0000 --001a114733ac631b19052fcfac86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 To my understanding it is purely software thing. It cannot be detected from outside if miner uses this improvement or not. So patenting it is worthless. slush On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 1:01 AM, Mustafa Al-Bassam via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > Alternatively scenario: it will cause a sudden increase of Bitcoin mines > in countries where the algorithm is not patented, possibly causing a > geographical decentralization of miners from countries that already have a > lot of miners like China (if it is patented in China). > > On 01/04/16 10:00, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 09:41:40PM -0700, Timo Hanke via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > Hi. > > I'd like to announce a white paper that describes a very new and > significant algorithmic improvement to the Bitcoin mining process which has > never been discussed in public before. The white paper can be found here: > http://www.math.rwth-aachen.de/~Timo.Hanke/AsicBoostWhitepaperrev5.pdf > > What steps are you going to take to make sure that this improvement is > available to all ASIC designers/mfgs on a equal opportunity basis? > > The fact that you've chosen to patent this improvement could be a > centralization concern depending on the licensing model used. For example, one > could imagine a licensing model that gave one manufacture exclusive rights. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing listbitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.orghttps://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > --001a114733ac631b19052fcfac86 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
To my understanding it is purely software thing. It cannot= be detected from outside if miner uses this improvement or not. So patenti= ng it is worthless.

slush

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 1:01 AM, Must= afa Al-Bassam via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linux= foundation.org> wrote:
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Alternatively scenario: it will cause a sudden increase of Bitcoin mines in countries where the algorithm is not patented, possibly causing a geographical decentralization of miners from countries that already have a lot of miners like China (if it is patented in China).

On 01/04/16 10:00, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev wrote:
On Thu, Mar 31, 2016 at 09:41:40PM -0700, Timo Hanke via bitcoin=
-dev wrote:

Hi.

I'd like to announce a white paper that describes a very new and
significant algorithmic improvement to the Bitcoin mining process which has
never been discussed in public before. The white paper can be found here:

http://www.math.rwth-aachen.de/~Timo.Hanke/AsicBo=
ostWhitepaperrev5.pdf

What steps are you going to take to make sure that this improvem=
ent is
available to all ASIC designers/mfgs on a equal opportunity basis?

The fact that you've chosen to patent this improvement could be a
centralization concern depending on the licensing model used. For example, =
one
could imagine a licensing model that gave one manufacture exclusive rights.




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