From: Erik Aronesty <erik@q32.com>
To: Brad Morrison <bradmorrison@sonic.net>
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Ordinal Inscription Size Limits
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2024 08:05:42 -0500 [thread overview]
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Onchain capacity is a red herring. There are so many problems with it and
we don't need to go into it here if it's already been beaten to death.
What we need are the op codes necessary to create a trustless,
disconnected graph of layer two solution.
We all know that some form of covenant technology is the right way to do
this
Some way of revokably sharing UTXOs, such that the incentives keep
coordinators in line
That can get us to global scale on a layer two that isn't custodial
On Wed, Jan 3, 2024, 4:12 AM Brad Morrison <bradmorrison@sonic.net> wrote:
> Erik/all,
>
> Are you saying that node capacity is the primary technical limiting factor
> to increasing adoption of bitcoin payments?
>
> UBER & Lyft payments are actually poor examples because they are not
> regular/monthly and I should not have used them (unless refilling existing
> accounts, like gift cards). But utility bills would be a much better
> example of an opportunity for bitcoin payments to compete with existing
> credit card payment systems because processing timing has the potential to
> be less urgent.
>
> Sharing UTXOs seems pretty minor compared to lowering transaction costs.
>
> Brad
>
>
>
> On 2024-01-01 08:08, Erik Aronesty wrote:
>
> .
>>
>> In the USA, where I am, large businesses like UBER, Lyft, and many major
>> telecom, cable, & electric utilities process huge volumes of regular and
>> irregular credit card payments on a monthly basis. Almost none oft hose
>> transactions are completed in bitcoin.
>>
>
>
> Unfortunately block size is not the limiting factor
>
> Main chain transactions have to be broadcast and stored on every node in
> the network which, as you know, cannot scale to the level of Uber payments
>
> Lighting and possibly ark are solutions to this problem
>
> Both require covenant tech of some kind to scale properly (nonrecursive is
> fine)
>
> Covenant tech (any will do, arguing about which is bike shedding at this
> point) allows people to share utxos and yet still maintain sovereignty over
> their assets
>
>
>
>
>
>>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-01-03 13:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-01-27 12:44 [bitcoin-dev] Ordinal Inscription Size Limits Robert Dickinson
2023-01-27 12:58 ` rot13maxi
2023-01-28 10:58 ` alicexbt
2023-01-29 10:34 ` Robert Dickinson
2023-01-31 8:58 ` Erik Aronesty
2023-01-27 13:21 ` Andrew Poelstra
2023-01-27 15:43 ` Aymeric Vitte
2023-01-28 16:47 ` Aymeric Vitte
2023-01-28 4:26 ` Robert Dickinson
2023-12-29 12:27 ` Greg Tonoski
2023-12-29 19:01 ` Nagaev Boris
2023-12-30 9:58 ` Erik Aronesty
2024-01-01 13:33 ` Brad Morrison
2024-01-01 16:08 ` Erik Aronesty
2024-01-03 9:11 ` Brad Morrison
2024-01-03 13:05 ` Erik Aronesty [this message]
2023-02-03 19:56 ` Melvin Carvalho
2023-02-04 14:25 ` Kostas Karasavvas
2023-02-06 16:39 ` Erik Aronesty
2023-02-06 17:31 ` Claus Ehrenberg
2023-02-06 18:05 ` Erik Aronesty
2023-02-07 12:17 ` Aymeric Vitte
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