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J. van der Laan" , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 12:05:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Reminder on the Purpose of BIPs X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2021 11:49:25 -0000 seems like this is solved by a workflow where a maintainer who requests changes clearly tags every entry as "changes needed" or "review requested",, and then the author can resolve/remove the tag after the changes are made. not sure PR's are the right tech here. On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 6:28 AM W. J. van der Laan via bitcoin-dev wrote: > > On Monday, April 26th, 2021 at 9:43 PM, David A. Harding via bitcoin-dev = wrote: > > > On Sun, Apr 25, 2021 at 05:31:50PM -0400, Matt Corallo via bitcoin-dev = wrote: > > > > > In general, I think its time we all agree the BIP process has simply = failed > > > > > > and move on. Luckily its not really all that critical and proposed pr= otocol > > > > > > documents can be placed nearly anywhere with the same effect. > > > > I like the idea of decentralizing the BIPs process. It is a historical ar= tifact that the bips repository is part of the same organization that bitco= in core is part of. But there shouldn't be the perception that standardizat= ion is driven by that, or that there is any kind of (non-trivial) gatekeepi= ng. > > I understand where this perception is coming from, though. There being 11= 1 PRs open at https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/pulls indicates that there is= some kind of bottleneck. I hope adding more BIP editors can mitigate this = somewhat. > > Though it also happens that the BIP author simply don't care about change= s anymore and doesn't respond, in which case the PR lingers without any fau= lt from the BIPs maintainer. So something is to be said of having the BIP r= epository mirror/aggregate author's own work trees, and changes needing to = be proposed there instead of "upstream". > > -W > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev