From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org (smtp4.osuosl.org [140.211.166.137]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CCC3C0032 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:24:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B4C04046D for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:24:18 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org 4B4C04046D Authentication-Results: smtp4.osuosl.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com header.i=@gmail-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com header.a=rsa-sha256 header.s=20230601 header.b=oQlDwAsV X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from smtp4.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp4.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B8T1N-sskLE5 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:24:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yw1-x1135.google.com (mail-yw1-x1135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::1135]) by smtp4.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A3F02403B4 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2023 18:24:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 smtp4.osuosl.org A3F02403B4 Received: by mail-yw1-x1135.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-5a7f9171f09so3390837b3.0 for ; Fri, 03 Nov 2023 11:24:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail-com.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1699035851; x=1699640651; darn=lists.linuxfoundation.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=AJNjVQPgIyT8fOt+VpZjdyEVy8AR/14FAZCNatjf5GI=; b=oQlDwAsVZN6DyqFTbX/VLThVITFpGrNQxSiSt4xhywUuq/Jkl9Vh1m0wSuXeJkn8kk AZKsC2DwHnUNwtusNR7/3JKuDLPwoFUXxeyBF1GBK2bODIPQfzy2FodszbiC3PG4pRtG Th84S/isoY0T3er09vb4iruNHERpRpU8DlBXZMQFadMMnzqYt8q1qIDqBZ55OFRvSdaM Hpqx3IUmPVXVf2AlZg1AGq0E/m6EjZT4ebln4/pV978pohKppSs3i+KuacaibPyTM3C0 XQyk8QliINvP1/nyll87MyKJD+54i+582Og3OLmTlxC7cB4R5U//DUzscEWmE6RVVUTN w+OA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1699035851; x=1699640651; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=AJNjVQPgIyT8fOt+VpZjdyEVy8AR/14FAZCNatjf5GI=; b=l1jBZKi+/BtOi1ICXwyATmvHgtHMfrtiVI9qKCMV1Qcd69m3f5cFZpKa7jsz075mVC /VsgVaKBtQ4ZOv+wfb6L21+CKn+s22sVca/ruV8c1jZevHhoFlr2EYvDDZZfkP8Yr6kR fKMVyd/S4TkPdOYC0KxHNEQ4ArhuK9TZ0lw5bASI3r8M86CCPDLHTj/lSAtoEjfSmHNm 2/6hJsGNLsHBHBkt3ZmYC3T07XqKmIdhJWPfMrbMZECGTxPVS5d/qCFziAsKWEhYdset OwqErbWP42WNSmCEHcTLOqCHMANQoxQ/xr8f4lu8tuYIV07eTHqTwUkAG7OjIgwB6/Jo UPlw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YwjleYvr+kDY2WwlGV7ow16j9cyMDputkpUF1ktHRlJjXzg+55S 2gX8z5rJORjHNx6ghE+5o7Hb6/WDJORBoGoGDqWwE1S4OnRkx7I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEDqWxL65GcnRGFGEcj3yUmHAIzLVi1X/KZcsLwLyrqoi4wbAZmdexUGHs10Svq3xFeN/cfPOiP41ooHPXXqoc= X-Received: by 2002:a25:d196:0:b0:da0:3c82:9fd1 with SMTP id i144-20020a25d196000000b00da03c829fd1mr17735589ybg.2.1699035851226; Fri, 03 Nov 2023 11:24:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Erik Aronesty Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2023 14:24:00 -0400 Message-ID: To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005f84350609439c54" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 03 Nov 2023 20:59:42 +0000 Subject: [bitcoin-dev] ossification and misaligned incentive concerns X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2023 18:24:18 -0000 --0000000000005f84350609439c54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" currently, there are providers of anonymity services, scaling services, custody, and other services layered on top of bitcoin using trust-based and federated models. as bitcoin becomes more popular, these service providers have increasingly had a louder "voice" in development and maintenance of the protocol holders generally want these features but service providers have an incentive to maintain a "moat" around their services in summary, making privacy, scaling and vaulting "hard" for regular users, keeping it off-chain and federated... is now incentivised among a vocal, but highly technical, minority is anyone else worried about this? --0000000000005f84350609439c54 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
currently, there are providers of anonymity=C2=A0serv= ices, scaling services, custody, and other services layered on top of bitco= in using trust-based and federated models.

as bitcoin becomes= more popular, these service providers have increasingly had a louder "= ;voice" in development and maintenance of the protocol
<= br>holders generally want these features

= but service providers have an incentive to maintain a "moat" arou= nd their services

in summary, making privacy= , scaling and vaulting "hard" for regular users, keeping it off-c= hain and federated...=C2=A0 is now incentivised among a vocal, but highly t= echnical, minority

is anyone else worried about th= is?
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