From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from silver.osuosl.org (smtp3.osuosl.org [140.211.166.136]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50D38C016F for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 18:12:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by silver.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45211272B4 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 18:12:06 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org Received: from silver.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NaUK42ophntA for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 18:12:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ej1-f51.google.com (mail-ej1-f51.google.com [209.85.218.51]) by silver.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A04220104 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 18:12:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-ej1-f51.google.com with SMTP id mb16so10993502ejb.4 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 11:12:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=commerceblock-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=BHS+T0gNLLww6LPYKcWxnNtmZqBDdMqSu8LLpBAUPkw=; b=GqSiEsO+y49bTawRdDVYOqioNj5AgMn64c6Vv7HUwsPH0LmVi8Y6Xu0d1FOZ7CCN8v JUTbx0K3MDNVWv1fvs+ULTuWD541AySXF6XkPn8vJda3Oe4nNVmL0uuWraW3bbZvn86w 8ma0cRxETlU/d040CKEq6mTFm8vQzf3G1K1PuFEYlDYvYSGMQhYA6wDy1OOiPDNPINxr oAfRdtZ8z718moEcqJiczTMMwu8MRMLYQxZWvapU/bgbQ5oceEYnkg0csl9NhsHs59TS hIZ6FRfuCXDtOjE99QfMaipue6RPVtvD6w7930WIJF2b/HO8xb4OardrXpROF7SuQh9Y JhqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=BHS+T0gNLLww6LPYKcWxnNtmZqBDdMqSu8LLpBAUPkw=; b=bk4kzUbgmnJy/rNU0s5dWJSNSOjL7WZk8BmFnlweBUsNFqs0LrBYkkKeZzshB81FKt qIiKGYHm0+WNWoQCweiZw2cHdixtWIl4E+03uUCbXZvJvej1IJGuhX4CURQ+b5Vf307y I+tlRVz+RrPh5mCLDEXYdNC39oZ9m7+xCMpsrQ9D6IThBYSbxtY10ErxIqpniQ3SlWYF lUwDr7BfYd1CWjNjX9ngGvGVJZSMNOBiWLbMqsPTBj2HdMg9emGyK20jgbawCoiyJrO/ rVGWQ4x6f6NSDP/7PdtLws/S0xT2erdZkICKss/OhFWh/80ch+iupgjs9sAyXx3DMUkw Lcsw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530q41NTJQiVp/IexdJaQcSSYnJ5yuI1NNDvKKoMJpn2E8NAwCaf 2e3VUUUo6Es910FvOHjyO+Y5gEcKLnJcwqoY7VcdvNAEQ8sI X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyeVBUdaG6ONF+4bI1hr4Buh4SgImNnc5Gr8brtP0ZIxlKNSD9BicmCY4EEd+Su71FxtPM6dtYdU4KfAcWdvRA= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:28da:: with SMTP id p26mr13832807ejd.551.1591985522880; Fri, 12 Jun 2020 11:12:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tom Trevethan Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:11:52 +0100 Message-ID: To: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000094489205a7e703fb" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 19:23:26 +0000 Subject: [bitcoin-dev] Blind Statechains X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 18:12:06 -0000 --00000000000094489205a7e703fb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, A statechain implementation and service co-signs 'backup' (off-chain) transactions to transfer ownership of a UTXO from one owner to the next. A suggested here https://medium.com/@RubenSomsen/statechains-non-custodial-off-chain-bitcoin-transfer-1ae4845a4a39 , this service (the statechain entity or SE) can be engineered to be 'blind' to the transactions it is signing (i.e. it does not and cannot know the details of the transactions it is signing) which can give significant privacy benefits. It would enable more private off-chain coin-swaps, and make collusion more difficult. The only downside of a blind SE is that it can no longer enforce the rules governing the sequence of backup transactions it co-signs as owners can ask the SE to cosign any transaction. So each new owner of a UTXO must receive, store and verify the full sequence of previous owner backup transactions to make sure that no previous owner has asked the SE to sign a transaction that could be used to steal the UTXO. This may end up making wallets more bloated and clunky, given that ownership of a UTXO could change hands thousands of times off-chain. In the case of a multisig, and Schnorr signatures, existing blind Schnorr protocols could be used to implement a blind SE, however we are opting to use two-party ECDSA (because there is no Schnorr yet, and in any case ECDSA will give a much bigger anonymity set). There is no current 2P ECDSA protocol that enables one of the two signers to be completely blinded, but it seems that this would require only minor modifications to an existing 2P ECDSA scheme (outlined here https://github.com/commerceblock/mercury/blob/master/doc/blind_2p_ecdsa.md based on Lindell 2017 https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/552 ). Any comments on any of this gratefully received. Tom --00000000000094489205a7e703fb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

A statechain implementation and service co-s= igns 'backup' (off-chain) transactions to transfer ownership of a U= TXO from one owner to the next. A suggested here https://medium.com/@RubenSomsen/statechains-non-custodial-off-chai= n-bitcoin-transfer-1ae4845a4a39 , this service (the statechain entity o= r SE) can be engineered to be 'blind' to the transactions it is sig= ning (i.e. it does not and cannot know the details of the transactions it i= s signing) which can give significant privacy benefits. It would enable mor= e private off-chain coin-swaps, and make collusion more difficult.

= The only downside of a blind SE is that it can no longer enforce the rules = governing the sequence of backup transactions it co-signs as owners can ask= the SE to cosign any transaction. So each new owner of a UTXO must receive= , store and verify the full sequence of previous owner backup transactions = to make sure that no previous owner has asked the SE to sign a transaction = that could be used to steal the UTXO. This may end up making wallets more b= loated and clunky, given that ownership of a UTXO could change hands thousa= nds of times off-chain.

In the case of a multisig, and Schnorr sign= atures, existing blind Schnorr protocols could be used to implement a blind= SE, however we are opting to use two-party ECDSA (because there is no Schn= orr yet, and in any case ECDSA will give a much bigger anonymity set). Ther= e is no current 2P ECDSA protocol that enables one of the two signers to be= completely blinded, but it seems that this would require only minor modifi= cations to an existing 2P ECDSA scheme (outlined here https://g= ithub.com/commerceblock/mercury/blob/master/doc/blind_2p_ecdsa.md based= on Lindell 2017 https://eprin= t.iacr.org/2017/552 ).

Any comments on any of this gratefully r= eceived.

Tom
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