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From: Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
To: "Andreas M. Antonopoulos" <andreas@rooteleven.com>
Cc: Bitcoin Dev <bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: soft-fork to make anyone-can-spend outputs unspendable for 100 blocks
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2013 22:25:54 +0200	[thread overview]
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On 6 June 2013 21:59, Andreas M. Antonopoulos <andreas@rooteleven.com>wrote:

> Is there any consideration given to the fact that bitcoin can operate as a
> platform for many other services, if it is able to be neutral to payload,
> as long as the fee is paid for the transaction size?
>
> Unless I have misunderstood this discussion, it seems to me that this is a
> bit like saying in 1990 "IP Is only for email, the majority of users want
> email, we shouldn't allow video, voice or images". Ooops, there goes the
> web.
>
> Is it possible to solve this by solving the issue of provably un-spendable
> outputs without foreclosing on the possibility of other types of
> transaction payloads (ie, not money), that would open the possibility for a
> myriad of layered apps above? For example, hashes of content that is
> external to bitcoin, that people want to pay to have timestamped in the
> blockchain, as provably unspendable outputs.
>
> The social compact is to accept transaction for fee. I think it is a major
> mistake to make decisions that discriminate on the content of the
> transaction, saying that some uses are not appropriate. If the fee is paid
> and it covers the size of the transaction, why would it matter if it is not
> a payment?
>
> I could be totally misreading this thread, too, so please allow me some
> slack if I have!
>

+1 we're still early into the bitcoin story ... unexpected reuse should not
be ruled out ...


>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Luke-Jr <luke@dashjr.org> wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, June 01, 2013 7:30:36 PM Peter Todd wrote:
>> > scriptPubKey: <data> OP_TRUE
>> >
>> > ...
>> > Along with that change anyone-can-spend outputs should be make
>> IsStandard()
>> > so they will be relayed.
>>
>> Data does not belong in the blockchain. People running nodes have all
>> implicitly agreed to store the blocks for financial purposes, and storing
>> data
>> is a violation of that social contract. Proof-of-stake may be arguably
>> financial, but I'm sure there must be a way to do it without spamming
>> people
>> against their consent.
>>
>> > The alternative is sacrifices to unspendable outputs, which is very
>> > undesirable compared to sending the money to miners to further
>> > strengthen the security of the network.
>>
>> The alternative is to make other standard outputs unable to store data as
>> well.
>>
>> Luke
>>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-06-06 20:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-06 19:14 [Bitcoin-development] Proposal: soft-fork to make anyone-can-spend outputs unspendable for 100 blocks Luke-Jr
2013-06-06 19:59 ` Andreas M. Antonopoulos
2013-06-06 20:07   ` Luke-Jr
2013-06-06 20:16     ` Andreas M. Antonopoulos
2013-06-06 21:48       ` Luke-Jr
2013-06-06 22:10         ` Melvin Carvalho
2013-06-06 20:25   ` Melvin Carvalho [this message]
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2013-06-01 19:30 Peter Todd
     [not found] ` <201306012034.31543.luke@dashjr.org>
2013-06-01 20:58   ` Peter Todd
     [not found] ` <38A06794-B6B4-45F3-99C1-24B08434536D@gmail.com>
2013-06-02  6:13   ` Peter Todd
2013-06-02 17:35     ` Jeff Garzik
2013-06-02 18:41       ` Peter Todd
2013-06-04  0:22     ` Mark Friedenbach
2013-06-02 21:45 ` Adam Back
2013-06-04 14:12   ` Jeff Garzik
2013-06-04 14:55     ` John Dillon
2013-06-04 17:42       ` Jeff Garzik
2013-06-04 18:36         ` Roy Badami
2013-06-04 18:49           ` Jeff Garzik
2013-06-04 20:25             ` Peter Todd
2013-06-03 23:43 ` Melvin Carvalho
2013-06-04  2:26   ` Michael Hendricks

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