From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-3.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VPhfV-00070Z-22 for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:41:53 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.217.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.217.182; envelope-from=melvincarvalho@gmail.com; helo=mail-lb0-f182.google.com; Received: from mail-lb0-f182.google.com ([209.85.217.182]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1VPhfU-0007yq-4F for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:41:53 +0000 Received: by mail-lb0-f182.google.com with SMTP id c11so2854401lbj.27 for ; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:41:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.203.233 with SMTP id kt9mr7719436lac.29.1380325305363; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.159.233 with HTTP; Fri, 27 Sep 2013 16:41:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 01:41:45 +0200 Message-ID: From: Melvin Carvalho To: Bitcoin Dev Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1134598480316904e7660779 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. See http://spamassassin.org/tag/ for more details. -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (melvincarvalho[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.0 LOTS_OF_MONEY Huge... sums of money X-Headers-End: 1VPhfU-0007yq-4F Subject: [Bitcoin-development] smart contracts -- possible use case? yes or no? X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2013 23:41:53 -0000 --001a1134598480316904e7660779 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We all love bitcoin's ability to transfer value in real time across borders. But the regulatory environment in many geographical regions in uncertain. Do we need to pay capital gains? Do we need to pay a sales taxs etc. etc. At this point bitcoin is small enough for this to not be a huge issue, but one day that may change (maybe we hope!). So my idea is to voluntarily pre empt legislation by giving donations to govt (aka taxation) for bitcoin service providers. However, there is something of a problem with voluntary donations. Most people are not satisfied with the way they are spent. In the UK a recent survey said that only 18% of people thought that tax money was wisely spent. This is bad for govt., bad for people, and bad for the trusted relationship. Can we fix it? Maybe we smart contract and voluntary donations it's possible! So let's say I run a business and I make 1 million euros. I wish to donate 10% of my profits to society. But let's say I dont want that money to go to wars of aggression, but rather, to the fire de[department. So we set up a smart contract that is only "cashable" if the money goes to the right place (verified by an oracle). At this point everyone wins. The business person is happy to make a contribution. The govt. is happy that it gets more revenue. The fire dept. is happy that it has revenue to do its work. And everything has gone to the right place in a kind of democratic way. Over time if it takes off, this could provide revenue for many essential services that are needed by people, in a way that allows more democratic freedom of choice. So my question is whether it may be possible to use smart contracts to achieve a better democracy that is good for people, good for govt, and good for innovation? My hope is that the answer is ... "Yes We Can" :) --001a1134598480316904e7660779 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We all love b= itcoin's ability to transfer value in real time across borders.

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But the regulatory environment in many geographical regions in uncert= ain. =A0 Do we need to pay capital gains?=A0=A0 Do we need to pay a sales t= axs etc. etc.

At this point bitcoin is small enough for this to not be a huge i= ssue, but one day that may change (maybe we hope!).

So my idea= is to voluntarily pre empt legislation by giving donations to govt (aka ta= xation) for bitcoin service providers.=A0

However, there is something of a problem with voluntary donations= .=A0 Most people are not satisfied with the way they are spent.=A0 In the U= K a recent survey said that only 18% of people thought that tax money was w= isely spent.=A0 This is bad for govt., bad for people, and bad for the trus= ted relationship.

Can we fix it?=A0 Maybe we smart contract and voluntary donations= it's possible!

So let's say I run a business and I ma= ke 1 million euros.=A0 I wish to donate 10% of my profits to society.=A0 Bu= t let's say I dont want that money to go to wars of aggression, but rat= her, to the fire de[department.=A0

So we set up a smart contract that is only "cashable" if the = money goes to the right place (verified by an oracle).=A0

At this p= oint everyone wins.=A0 The business person is happy to make a contribution.= =A0 The govt. is happy that it gets more revenue.=A0 The fire dept. is happ= y that it has revenue to do its work.=A0 And everything has gone to the rig= ht place in a kind of democratic way.

Over time if it takes off, this could provide revenue for many es= sential services that are needed by people, in a way that allows more democ= ratic freedom of choice.

So my question is whether it may be p= ossible to use smart contracts to achieve a better democracy that is good f= or people, good for govt, and good for innovation?=A0 My hope is that the a= nswer is ...

"Yes We Can"

:)


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