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From: Sergio Demian Lerner <sergio.d.lerner@gmail.com>
To: Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org>
Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] cleanstack alt stack & softfork improvements (Was: Merkle branch verification & tail-call semantics for generalized MAST)
Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2017 18:32:00 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAKzdR-pnvystx5H+P+OCXm73aVmWdyesCymerSgx=pCuXx+YGA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3385CE20-C1BA-40DD-8FC3-8F53F3350717@friedenbach.org>

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But generally before one signs a transaction one does not know the
signature size (which may be variable). One can only estimate the maximum
size.

On Fri, Sep 22, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Mark Friedenbach <mark@friedenbach.org>
wrote:

>
> On Sep 22, 2017, at 1:32 PM, Sergio Demian Lerner <
> sergio.d.lerner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> There are other solutions to this problem that could have been taken
>> instead, such as committing to the number of items or maximum size of
>> the stack as part of the sighash data, but cleanstack was the approach
>> taken.
>
>
> The lack of signed maximum segwit stack size was one of the objections to
> segwit I presented last year. This together with the unlimited segwit stack
> size.
>
> However, committing to the maximum stack size (in bytes) for an input is
> tricky. The only place where this could be packed is in sequence_no, with a
> soft-fork. E.g. when transaction version is 2 and and only when lock_time
> is zero.
>
> For transactions with locktime >0, we could soft-fork so transactions add
> a last zero-satoshi output whose scriptPub contains OP_RETURN and followed
> by N VarInts, containing the maximum stack size of each input.
> Normally, for a 400 byte, 2-input transaction, this will add 11 bytes, or
> a 2.5% overhead.
>
>
> There’s no need to put it in the transaction itself. You put it in the
> witness and it is either committed to as part of the witness (in which case
> it has to hold for all possible spend paths), or at spend time by including
> it in the data signed by CHECKSIG.
>
>

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  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-22 21:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-09-07  0:38 [bitcoin-dev] Merkle branch verification & tail-call semantics for generalized MAST Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-08  9:21 ` Johnson Lau
2017-09-12  2:03   ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-12  2:13     ` Bryan Bishop
2017-09-12  8:55     ` Johnson Lau
2017-09-12 19:57       ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-12 23:27         ` Karl Johan Alm
2017-09-13  9:41           ` Peter Todd
2017-09-11 20:37 ` Adán Sánchez de Pedro Crespo
2017-09-19  0:46 ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-19  3:09   ` [bitcoin-dev] cleanstack alt stack & softfork improvements (Was: Merkle branch verification & tail-call semantics for generalized MAST) Luke Dashjr
2017-09-19  7:33     ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-22 20:32       ` Sergio Demian Lerner
2017-09-22 21:11         ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-22 21:32           ` Sergio Demian Lerner [this message]
2017-09-22 21:39             ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-22 21:54               ` Sergio Demian Lerner
2017-09-22 22:07                 ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-22 22:09                 ` Pieter Wuille
2021-04-09  8:15                   ` [bitcoin-dev] maximum block height on transaction Erik Aronesty
2021-04-09 11:39                     ` Russell O'Connor
2021-04-09 15:54                       ` Jeremy
2021-04-12 20:04                         ` Billy Tetrud
2021-04-16  4:24                           ` ZmnSCPxj
2021-05-03  2:30                             ` ZmnSCPxj
2017-09-20  5:13     ` [bitcoin-dev] cleanstack alt stack & softfork improvements (Was: Merkle branch verification & tail-call semantics for generalized MAST) Johnson Lau
2017-09-20 19:29       ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-09-21  3:58         ` Johnson Lau
2017-09-21  4:11       ` Luke Dashjr
2017-09-21  8:02         ` Johnson Lau
2017-09-21 16:33           ` Luke Dashjr
2017-09-21 17:38             ` Johnson Lau
2017-09-30 23:23 ` [bitcoin-dev] Merkle branch verification & tail-call semantics for generalized MAST Luke Dashjr
2017-09-30 23:51   ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-10-02 17:15     ` Russell O'Connor
2017-10-28  4:40 ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-11-01  8:43   ` Luke Dashjr
2017-11-01 15:08     ` Mark Friedenbach
2017-11-04  7:59       ` Luke Dashjr

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