From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E7057AA for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2016 17:00:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-qk0-f172.google.com (mail-qk0-f172.google.com [209.85.220.172]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DB8818B for ; Sun, 2 Oct 2016 17:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-qk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id j129so138486426qkd.1 for ; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 10:00:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=grZ7cwmrjv0oF7XeQ1b27HDMi2rmRkDfr4b+eE4S/EQ=; b=sIqIo70Qj+rhyRBURaJKXKMO3C2gUgp+2PMdKYcxfdl1DQrDSz//Rv1hCXhclYrlBH Z4oc9iQUKnhA5vtIhXfbucN3UZIVM0cWdELTpdelyk+ABxn4YSXOMXIMtNTj2KB9bnWz FmumyykfGOECcqO+N53GVVgfUmSFfE7SYc5ZxoSqxfb0vawKtcNT0355rBLR+f0nivXz pcuD9j6UMSsZsed7pcGaAWddmUuMXSdnS9k96Tme1JlBFi4TxRu8WQzyH3iDmSnel95o JMFS/bBxOm291IFlptHgJxt4mZVeUNKhtszSMTgb5cjawrt4hypa4wYdOJhQqu5QwzXR W7Cg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=grZ7cwmrjv0oF7XeQ1b27HDMi2rmRkDfr4b+eE4S/EQ=; b=h9Lj8QqkwRxtownF4xCBGMkCvekqE2nprhsrMtNRn18nN+mE67SJmd+o8eskWxtjLr pq7rwsZlE5zmzxuuh/9D0tSuOKTjvZ6BZqdLd6TcBPN5/SQ8bWfPIPwCKFOEhpn+Cs1/ bxrWuEy4N90Efsc9jF6EXJD1rNox2EPp6+PK0B/hWn7DnZ9U0zRBonnHRoMwiZHn3noJ jpUQbrDGAQFjZAs49DIHNh2TAyR32uVXZ+a8dtbD75iretY2pnOKsxAl1ypDeii2oUtM o+MnBYXZk+ZXz9AhYXUXX3ZS1X2JVepXnCJAaJkIgTBaW9Qn91ZCpLs7b34HEhZ3R9C4 6zRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA6/9RlTCfepzIDeXspMqzKC1xg9KilLpkPYD7SrFwASkldF4MKTzwPagHDbXnPJFqUJZXyqKRBdB+9hB+SWpQ== X-Received: by 10.55.92.71 with SMTP id q68mr17967403qkb.54.1475427641795; Sun, 02 Oct 2016 10:00:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.237.35.7 with HTTP; Sun, 2 Oct 2016 10:00:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20161002161717.GA13915@fedora-21-dvm> References: <20161002161717.GA13915@fedora-21-dvm> From: Sergio Demian Lerner Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2016 14:00:01 -0300 Message-ID: To: Peter Todd Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114e3e3e7b2a2a053de4c407 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Drivechain proposal using OP_COUNT_ACKS X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2016 17:00:43 -0000 --001a114e3e3e7b2a2a053de4c407 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Peter, are you really going to try to down vote a decent free and open-source proposal that benefits all the Bitcoin community including you and your future children because a personal attack to me without any logic or basis? Is that the way you collaborate to improving Bitcoin? I just can't believe it. Let's open another thread elsewhere to discuss hardware and software patents, and that particular one, if you wish, this is NOT the place. On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Peter Todd wrote: > On Sun, Oct 02, 2016 at 12:49:08PM -0300, Sergio Demian Lerner via > bitcoin-dev wrote: > > I think your history of patenting(1) Bitcoin consensus relevant technology > is > sufficient by itself to be extremely dubious of any proposals coming from > you > or your colleagues; patents on Bitcoin consensus technology are a serious > threat to decentralization. Personally, I'm NACKing this proposal on that > basis > alone. > > You need to rectify this dangerous and unethical behavior in a convincing, > legally binding way. I'd suggest looking into Blockstream's patent pledges > as a > way forward: > > https://www.blockstream.com/about/patent_pledge/ > > I see no reason to have any further discussion of your proposal until this > is > rectified. > > 1) "AsicBoost is a patent-pending method to improve the efficiency and > cost of Bitcoin mining by approximately 20%" > http://www.asicboost.com/single-post/2016/03/24/AsicBoost-Press-Release > > > Since ScalingBitcoin is close, I think this is a good moment to publish > our > > proposal on drivechains. This BIP proposed the drivechain we'd like to > use > > in RSK (a.k.a. Rootstock) two-way pegged blockchain and see it > implemented > > -- > https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org > --001a114e3e3e7b2a2a053de4c407 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Peter, are you really going to try to down vote a dec= ent free and open-source proposal that benefits all the Bitcoin community i= ncluding=C2=A0
you and your future children because a personal attack t= o me without any logic or basis?

Is that the way you collaborate to= improving Bitcoin?

I just can't believe it.

L= et's open another thread elsewhere to discuss hardware and software pat= ents, and that particular one, if you wish, this is NOT the place.

<= /div>


On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Peter Todd <<= a href=3D"mailto:pete@petertodd.org" target=3D"_blank">pete@petertodd.org> wrote:
On Sun, Oct 02, 2016= at 12:49:08PM -0300, Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev wrote:

I think your history of patenting(1) Bitcoin consensus relevant technology = is
sufficient by itself to be extremely dubious of any proposals coming from y= ou
or your colleagues; patents on Bitcoin consensus technology are a serious threat to decentralization. Personally, I'm NACKing this proposal on th= at basis
alone.

You need to rectify this dangerous and unethical behavior in a convincing,<= br> legally binding way. I'd suggest looking into Blockstream's patent = pledges as a
way forward:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 https://www.blockstream.com/about= /patent_pledge/

I see no reason to have any further discussion of your proposal until this = is
rectified.

1) "AsicBoost is a patent-pending method to improve the efficiency and= cost of Bitcoin mining by approximately 20%"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0http://www.asicb= oost.com/single-post/2016/03/24/AsicBoost-Press-Release

> Since ScalingBitcoin is close, I think this is a good moment to publis= h our
> proposal on drivechains. This BIP proposed the drivechain we'd lik= e to use
> in RSK (a.k.a. Rootstock) two-way pegged blockchain and see it impleme= nted

--
http= s://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org

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