From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6759E256 for ; Tue, 10 May 2016 22:27:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wm0-f51.google.com (mail-wm0-f51.google.com [74.125.82.51]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 762AD156 for ; Tue, 10 May 2016 22:27:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wm0-f51.google.com with SMTP id a17so51985299wme.0 for ; Tue, 10 May 2016 15:27:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to; bh=7TWfjDcBc6ADEdRFlTTF0c22NviN1k3YDa1stoBLaFc=; b=UfXJv9oRm1PumJUg2/33R18Io11sixIwgldVOpeb56t0B3uwOADwiFT7NDJwdtRSHB oUNEUKSKAn2wfKK35RobIZ4uVKaOLBKRQffIlE+8d2U2YkU/YQnK+ipllVxNj5EaBCCJ nMwR+uVY/Xl5dR6AqruR0VoDv/YrimvPfKre+GwISdHtMRxXGyHm6KXK7EBzptt1UI5+ HKvjqG3MY7SKqBM60inJFNANbwtHeQU8eUCagepnkLtfu1k3gZ2BW85ltPSoQnz+dTml L7Enmi3vFamFUN/kBtEZ+69CGnu592j4NY4xFV6t7pdwQ/FWtknEuwe4pkiW6/yG7VoE BdVg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to; bh=7TWfjDcBc6ADEdRFlTTF0c22NviN1k3YDa1stoBLaFc=; b=I9Ju45fw5oLe5Ehi12raI8qSZSSJz8g/is2Q9rzzORiNOSDGivB8SKy8rpJbyYhPRp ugNPoq5bpxQLd2tA43m0d/Cx9KZkZrowFoDgJJCaczduUo89Yq6rJTke0wQbskTdeZGq EskpYzDMpsiuaLQt1BS1j5/Lj4a3tiJ/B7nkULOcr4eHpmhOrfig6f71a/a32XAV7Ptk gPnUU/fY+wQilUBndJKGH8N/+BxBFKS9tgAjjxA3x0opN2nTwqcBCzkZmck521JaKM8Q QCCq0gRVQqz64M1nqByaPdoa0p4+NABoCcu47u8XuHFK15z549OQDgENtMC278QU8Ghm wKpQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FVi1P2H/GlweHfADEdGuG+5Ukokpqf52GSDSpjtVGuiULkTiELNjs0vUYgt06QcBLzFczMMEJYkNOu48w== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.18.18 with SMTP id s18mr1541wjd.100.1462919274893; Tue, 10 May 2016 15:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.55.194 with HTTP; Tue, 10 May 2016 15:27:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20160510185728.GA1149@fedora-21-dvm> Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 18:27:54 -0400 Message-ID: From: Chris Riley To: Sergio Demian Lerner , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93b5710b7182b0532846f52 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 May 2016 22:36:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Making AsicBoost irrelevant X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 22:27:57 -0000 --14dae93b5710b7182b0532846f52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The second like "2)" has a link to the paper: http://www.math.rwth-aachen.de/~Timo.Hanke/AsicBoostWhitepaperrev5.pdf which does discuss the fact that it is "patent-pending". Likewise it discusses ASIC improvements. Avoiding patents that impact bitcoin and are not freely licensed, is something that is worthwhile for discussion. On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Sergio Demian Lerner via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > > > On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev < > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote: > >> As part of the hard-fork proposed in the HK agreement(1) we'd like to >> make the >> patented AsicBoost optimisation useless, and hopefully make further >> similar >> optimizations useless as well. >> >> >> You say that you want to make patented optimization useless, but you > point to a link that doesn't say anything about ASIC improvements or > patents, which means that you have been planning to change the protocol > rules with some miners (but not all the community). > > All changes to the protocol should be discussed in public here. If you > want to make "further similar optimizations useless as well" then maybe you > should propose a switch to EquiHash. > > > >> >> 1) >> https://medium.com/@bitcoinroundtable/bitcoin-roundtable-consensus-266d475a61ff >> >> 2) >> http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-April/012596.html >> >> -- >> https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> bitcoin-dev mailing list >> bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org >> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > --14dae93b5710b7182b0532846f52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The second like "2)" = has a link to the paper:
http://www= .math.rwth-aachen.de/~Timo.Hanke/AsicBoostWhitepaperrev5.pdf

which does discuss the fact that it is "patent-pending".= =C2=A0 Likewise it discusses ASIC improvements.=C2=A0 Avoiding patents tha= t impact bitcoin and are not freely licensed, is something that is worthwhi= le for discussion.=C2=A0


On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Sergio Demian Lerner via bitco= in-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org><= /span> wrote:


On Tue, May 10, 2016= at 3:57 PM, Peter Todd via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@l= ists.linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
As part = of the hard-fork proposed in the HK agreement(1) we'd like to make the<= br> patented AsicBoost optimisation useless, and hopefully make further similar=
optimizations useless as well.


You say that you want to make patented optimiz= ation useless, but you point to a link that doesn't say anything about = ASIC improvements or patents, which means that you have been planning to ch= ange the protocol rules with some miners (but not all the community).=C2=A0=

All c= hanges to the protocol should be discussed in public here. If you want to m= ake "further similar optimizations useless as well" then maybe yo= u should propose a switch to EquiHash.

= =C2=A0

1) https://medium.com= /@bitcoinroundtable/bitcoin-roundtable-consensus-266d475a61ff

2) http://lists.linuxfo= undation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2016-April/012596.html

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http= s://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org

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