From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com ([172.29.43.192] helo=mx.sourceforge.net) by sfs-ml-2.v29.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1VhFql-0000Qn-9G for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:38:03 +0000 Received-SPF: pass (sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com: domain of gmail.com designates 209.85.160.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.49; envelope-from=kravets@gmail.com; helo=mail-pb0-f49.google.com; Received: from mail-pb0-f49.google.com ([209.85.160.49]) by sog-mx-2.v43.ch3.sourceforge.com with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) id 1VhFqk-0002Qt-2H for bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:38:03 +0000 Received: by mail-pb0-f49.google.com with SMTP id um1so3325113pbc.36 for ; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 01:37:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.190.101 with SMTP id gp5mr6045603pac.23.1384508276201; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 01:37:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.66.76.98 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Nov 2013 01:37:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20131115092338.GN5661@leitl.org> References: <52852C2D.9020103@gmail.com> <52853D8A.6010501@monetize.io> <52854F59.9000500@monetize.io> <5285545C.4030607@gmail.com> <20131115092338.GN5661@leitl.org> Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 01:37:56 -0800 Message-ID: From: Alex Kravets To: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bf16084fde42b04eb33f308 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: Spam Filtering performed by mx.sourceforge.net. 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[URIs: linkedin.com] -1.5 SPF_CHECK_PASS SPF reports sender host as permitted sender for sender-domain 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (kravets[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature X-Headers-End: 1VhFqk-0002Qt-2H Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] moving the default display to mbtc X-BeenThere: bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 09:38:03 -0000 --047d7bf16084fde42b04eb33f308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi guys, I've seen many many non-geeks be utterly intimidated and confused by 0.000XXXXX quantities and/or mBTC & uBTC notation Yes, $10 being rougnly 10,000 Won in South Korean is a great example where large amounts of units work very well in a major economy. FWIW, I would prefer the entire switch-over be done *once* *and *at the same time switching both BTC to XBT and using the following Currency Code *: *XBT Unit Definition *: *1 Bit = 100 Satoshis Addition benefit is splitting the term Bitcoin/bitcoin (as in Network and currency unit) into Bitcoin (network) and Bit (the unit). Perhaps this project/process should have a name and be listed on a road map somewhere *BRCS: *Bitcoin Re-denomination and [Currency] Code Standardization project Cheers ... On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: > On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 05:53:16PM -0500, Alan Reiner wrote: > > I really like the XBT idea. It makes a lot of sense to match the ISO > > I really don't. Just use the SI prefixes. > > > currency symbol (though the ISO guys will have to adjust the way they've > > defined the "XBT"). And I do agree that going right to uBTC and > > skipping mBTC makes sense, too. > > The display units should be choosable by the user. > > > I'd prefer them not be called "micro bitcoins." I really want to call > > them "microbes" ... but I'm not sure that has the right flavor for money > > Why on earth? > > > transfer :) "Please give me 872 microbes". Perhaps we just call them > > "bits." Or even "micros" or "microbits". As I write this, I realize > > there's probably 872 threads on the forums about this already... > > > > But we would want to promote a consistent term, to avoid further > > confusion when people use different names for the new unit. It's not > > guaranteed to be successful, but if we pick a good name, and build it > > into the interface on the first release pushing the new unit, we have a > > chance to make the transition even easier. > > The reason SI prefixes were invented is exactly to preven that case. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > DreamFactory - Open Source REST & JSON Services for HTML5 & Native Apps > OAuth, Users, Roles, SQL, NoSQL, BLOB Storage and External API Access > Free app hosting. 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Hi guys,

I've seen many many non-ge= eks be utterly intimidated and confused by 0.000XXXXX quantities and/or mBT= C & uBTC notation


Yes, $10 bein= g rougnly 10,000 Won in South Korean is a great example where large amounts= of units work very well in a major economy.


FWIW, =C2=A0I would prefer the entire sw= itch-over be done once and at the same time=C2=A0switching bo= th BTC to XBT and using the following


Currency Code=C2=A0:=C2=A0XBT
Unit Definition =C2=A0: <= /b>1 Bit =3D 100 Satoshis

Addition benefit is spli= tting the term Bitcoin/bitcoin (as in Network and currency unit) into Bitco= in (network) and Bit (the unit).


Perhaps this project/process shoul= d have a name and be listed on a road map somewhere

BRCS: Bitcoin Re-denomination and [Currency] Code Standardi= zation project


Cheers ...

=



On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 1:23 AM, Eugen Leitl <eugen@leitl.= org> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 05= :53:16PM -0500, Alan Reiner wrote:
> I really like the XBT idea. =C2=A0It makes a lot of sense to match the= ISO

I really don't. Just use the SI prefixes.

> currency symbol (though the ISO guys will have to adjust the way they&= #39;ve
> defined the "XBT"). =C2=A0And I do agree that going right to= uBTC and
> skipping mBTC makes sense, too.

The display units should be choosable by the user.

> I'd prefer them not be called "micro bitcoins." =C2=A0I = really want to call
> them "microbes" ... but I'm not sure that has the right = flavor for money

Why on earth?

> transfer :) =C2=A0"Please give me 872 microbes". =C2=A0Perha= ps we just call them
> "bits." =C2=A0Or even "micros" or "microbits&= quot;. =C2=A0As I write this, I realize
> there's probably 872 threads on the forums about this already... >
> But we would want to promote a consistent term, to avoid further
> confusion when people use different names for the new unit. =C2=A0It&#= 39;s not
> guaranteed to be successful, but if we pick a good name, and build it<= br> > into the interface on the first release pushing the new unit, we have = a
> chance to make the transition even easier.

The reason SI prefixes were invented is exactly to preven that case.<= br>

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