From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org (smtp1.osuosl.org [IPv6:2605:bc80:3010::138]) by lists.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5772C000B for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:35:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D43A484417 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:35:08 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at osuosl.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: smtp1.osuosl.org (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from smtp1.osuosl.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp1.osuosl.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cYL43gVA4KtN for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:35:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.8.0 Received: from mail-wr1-x42a.google.com (mail-wr1-x42a.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42a]) by smtp1.osuosl.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0A4684413 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wr1-x42a.google.com with SMTP id e7so39837496wrs.11 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:35:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=u7g+wBsbCh8EfNTJSfkYt6xiJuqMV+3cKnmuSRkX+LU=; b=iHYiUVDUz9rcVMWIwjVskQi8DI2Rpo66LrnqnSNJO1K/tX8jszD/S1DhOmzeG/zIKF U4O+WmtPJEMEnPnqJfpwqBL2hOoG3aEZSSSPrCQAqCy60bSj2UVPndi+ZbteaUza9gL+ iO7dFmDZdXzUBDtg2QbtcjasdXAXWSubQdRD4irx/eFO/mYwYVNphWEmzuNoTC0dkxye 54jPKbBapQv7FkNzMQaZqzveXMn0K/7qRfGRx/37DxMtV0tQJRaHGcgBB27/JDgXsYTh GnobrWF5I/mhwcy4Rh1cIEUOZ50P3C/9DbxQs65JTHOowJzWcc/BT+q/UDfzNMgWwKMq EJVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=u7g+wBsbCh8EfNTJSfkYt6xiJuqMV+3cKnmuSRkX+LU=; b=nSFtwpQzA1Rk6Iur7bZfXZPMRkkAliNYUg0kr99nlVAEgB0hHmewXqOF+NmL7ialNH 7WjEbaAzK+Kh2sJ32ay371TtQUpD8xqxL74fxyBn/LteeUjFs/6S2jBMj+hjLpw9JHb1 xLmoUQsn2BoGfP+X1mR0+49Bp5/ZyaKq/X/eBmGYIkhK1J3tXbet+KV/WoOX3ZIWDZAa woWMvREhIeaZyKijy9drPqs9RtmjgcrxxJoiJ4YTqhXZSRsa61WbKy4iquy+c6+0izbF BqGNvtqW3Hafp48fu/y5hF6mLuIvyy/P3Ut8QyCxOOUPU14nSFrXxOMW6/fL0XNKe17b K9FA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533MNIXxBKgUpJ6B3KqVSC6wLyNYsywBt9zvOBadM4f2etFyPWbY +brLn0O68gNS9dJn7KBpfsO3OWCgFYOk+w2ya0irAl3JhajW0g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw4baKrHKAeBUaUH4l9s4U6bN8GT5daCQrm3xn3IIRS/26wzEi2IWef2WLjZWn90+iPpQzqji/cfFYuFBMNUcc= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6ac6:: with SMTP id u6mr5478322wrw.290.1619192106004; Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:35:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202104230209.05373.luke@dashjr.org> In-Reply-To: <202104230209.05373.luke@dashjr.org> From: Antoine Riard Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 11:34:53 -0400 Message-ID: To: Luke Dashjr , Bitcoin Protocol Discussion Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004d327c05c0a58af3" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:51:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Proposed BIP editor: Kalle Alm X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Protocol Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2021 15:35:09 -0000 --0000000000004d327c05c0a58af3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Luke, For the records and the subscribers of this list not following #bitcoin-core-dev, this mail follows a discussion which did happen during yesterday irc meetings. Logs here : http://gnusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/2021-04-22.log I'll reiterate my opinion expressed during the meeting. If this proposal to extend the bip editorship membership doesn't satisfy parties involved or anyone in the community, I'm strongly opposed to have the matter sliced by admins of the Bitcoin github org. I believe that defect or uncertainty in the BIP Process shouldn't be solved by GH janitorial roles and I think their roles don't bestow to intervene in case of loopholes. Further, you have far more contributors involved in the BIP Process rather than only Bitcoin Core ones. FWIW, such precedent merits would be quite similar to lobby directly GH staff... Unless we harm Bitcoin users by not acting, I think we should always be respectful of procedural forms. And in the lack of such forms, stay patient until a solution satisfy everyone. I would recommend the BIP editorship, once extended or not, to move in its own repository in the future. Cheers, Antoine Le jeu. 22 avr. 2021 =C3=A0 22:09, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev < bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> a =C3=A9crit : > Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP editor to > assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo. > > Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should b= e > fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression: > > > A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves > > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have > > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development > > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any > > unaddressed substantiated objections to it. > > A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is > unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we ca= n > go > that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new > BIP > editors, so I think this should be fine. > > Please speak up soon if you disagree. > > Luke > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > --0000000000004d327c05c0a58af3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Luke,

For the records and t= he subscribers of this list not following #bitcoin-core-dev, this mail foll= ows a discussion which did happen during yesterday irc meetings.
Logs he= re : http://g= nusha.org/bitcoin-core-dev/2021-04-22.log

I'll reitera= te my opinion expressed during the meeting. If this proposal to extend the = bip editorship membership doesn't satisfy parties involved or anyone in= the community, I'm strongly opposed to have the matter sliced by admin= s of the Bitcoin github org. I believe that defect or uncertainty in the BI= P Process shouldn't be solved by GH janitorial roles and I think their = roles don't bestow to intervene in case of loopholes. Further, you have= far more contributors involved in the BIP Process rather than only Bitcoin= Core ones. FWIW, such precedent merits would be quite similar to lobby dir= ectly GH staff...

Unless we harm Bitcoin users by not act= ing, I think we should always be respectful of procedural forms. And in the= lack of such forms, stay patient until a solution satisfy everyone.
I would recommend the BIP editorship, once extended or not, to = move in its own repository in the future.

Cheers,
Antoine




Le=C2=A0jeu. 22 avr. 2021 = =C3=A0=C2=A022:09, Luke Dashjr via bitcoin-dev <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org&= gt; a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Unless there are objections, I intend to add Kalle Alm as a BIP edi= tor to
assist in merging PRs into the bips git repo.

Since there is no explicit process to adding BIP editors, IMO it should be =
fine to use BIP 2's Process BIP progression:

> A process BIP may change status from Draft to Active when it achieves<= br> > rough consensus on the mailing list. Such a proposal is said to have > rough consensus if it has been open to discussion on the development > mailing list for at least one month, and no person maintains any
> unaddressed substantiated objections to it.

A Process BIP could be opened for each new editor, but IMO that is
unnecessary. If anyone feels there is a need for a new Process BIP, we can = go
that route, but there is prior precedent for BIP editors appointing new BIP=
editors, so I think this should be fine.

Please speak up soon if you disagree.

Luke
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