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[2607:f8b0:4864:20::c34]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x9-20020a92b009000000b00365c9b0d2aasi1396135ilh.3.2024.03.07.14.40.05 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 07 Mar 2024 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of keagan.mcclelland@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::c34 as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::c34; Received: by mail-oo1-xc34.google.com with SMTP id 006d021491bc7-5a0a19c9bb7so894646eaf.3 for ; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 14:40:05 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 2002:a05:6358:94a1:b0:17b:521d:9fcc with SMTP id i33-20020a05635894a100b0017b521d9fccmr9326818rwb.9.1709851204940; Thu, 07 Mar 2024 14:40:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2092f7ff-4860-47f8-ba1a-c9d97927551e@achow101.com> <9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a3@dashjr.org> In-Reply-To: <9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff8f8a62a3@dashjr.org> From: Keagan McClelland Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2024 14:39:54 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: Adding New BIP Editors To: Luke Dashjr Cc: bitcoindev@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b07cc7061319c196" X-Original-Sender: keagan.mcclelland@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=L1KyKaZA; spf=pass (google.com: domain of keagan.mcclelland@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::c34 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=keagan.mcclelland@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --000000000000b07cc7061319c196 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable NACK on Tonoski. He's so far shown far too little interest in understanding the history of technical decisions and has been rather extreme in rhetoric. These are not qualities I want in a BIP Editor whose job should be a facilitator rather than an advocate. While I don't expect any BIP Editor to be devoid of their own opinions, I do not trust that he won't use the seat as a means of pushing his own agenda. Keags On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 2:45=E2=80=AFPM Luke Dashjr wrote= : > On 2/27/24 15:11, 'L=C3=A9o Haf' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List wro= te: > > Luke should choose the new editors himself, especially since he has > > already made a call for applications. > > Thanks, but this is for the broader development community to decide, not > just any one person. > > My tweet got many people volunteering in response, and while I agree > another dev reviewing new BIPs would be helpful, I do think it would be > best to have non-devs contribute by triaging what doesn't require dev > skills. > > Of those who actually put their names forward, Jon Atack and Roasbeef > stand out as long-time devs to consider (though I have reservations > about Roasbeef for this role). (Kanzure and Ruben both seem undecided if > they're even available to help at this time.) For non-dev triaging, I > would suggest we consider testing out the idea with perhaps Seccour > and/or Greg Tonoski. > > Assigning BIP numbers itself is easy enough. The hard part is evaluating > if the new proposal meets the criteria - which definitely needs dev > skills (mainly for technical soundness). So IMO we should move forward > with more editors ASAP without waiting for a new way to coordinate the > numbering (we can deal with that later/in parallel to solving the > immediate need). > > Luke > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bitcoindev/9288df7b-f2e9-4106-b843-c1ff= 8f8a62a3%40dashjr.org > . > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an e= mail to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/= bitcoindev/CALeFGL2%3DN%2BJcQC_feq97%2B-CSi47esgz82v2LsvCzs-PCVQZArg%40mail= .gmail.com. --000000000000b07cc7061319c196 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
NACK on Tonoski. He's so far shown far too little inte= rest in understanding the history of technical decisions and has been rathe= r extreme in rhetoric. These are not qualities I want in a BIP Editor whose= job should be a facilitator rather than an advocate. While I don't exp= ect any BIP Editor to be devoid of their own opinions, I do not trust that = he won't use the seat as a means of pushing his own agenda.

Keags

On Tue, Feb 27, 2024 at 2:45=E2=80=AFPM Luke Dashjr <= luke@dashjr.org> wrote:
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On 2/27/24 15:11, 'L= =C3=A9o Haf' via Bitcoin Development Mailing List wrote:
> Luke should choose the new editors himself, especially since he has > already made a call for applications.

Thanks, but this is for the broader development community to decide, not just any one person.

My tweet got many people volunteering in response, and while I agree
another dev reviewing new BIPs would be helpful, I do think it would be best to have non-devs contribute by triaging what doesn't require dev <= br> skills.

Of those who actually put their names forward, Jon Atack and Roasbeef
stand out as long-time devs to consider (though I have reservations
about Roasbeef for this role). (Kanzure and Ruben both seem undecided if they're even available to help at this time.) For non-dev triaging, I <= br> would suggest we consider testing out the idea with perhaps Seccour
and/or Greg Tonoski.

Assigning BIP numbers itself is easy enough. The hard part is evaluating if the new proposal meets the criteria - which definitely needs dev
skills (mainly for technical soundness). So IMO we should move forward
with more editors ASAP without waiting for a new way to coordinate the
numbering (we can deal with that later/in parallel to solving the
immediate need).

Luke

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