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From: Ben Davenport <bendavenport@gmail.com>
To: Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org>
Cc: "bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net"
	<bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [Bitcoin-development] Stealth Addresses
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 11:21:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALimQCU10asn65q=+VwCVNtgbROu9XQOYKzB7jy-TCFoemjEOQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140117144601.GA8614@petertodd.org>

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Well, at least we don't have to worry about cache invalidation.

Ben


On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 6:46 AM, Peter Todd <pete@petertodd.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 17, 2014 at 10:15:40AM +0100, Mike Hearn wrote:
> > I must say, this shed is mighty fine looking. It'd be a great place to
> > store our bikes. But, what colour should we paint it?
>
> I think we should paint it this colour:
>
>     They had uncovered what seemed to be the side of a large coloured
>     globule embedded in the substance. The colour, which resembled some
>     of the bands in the meteor's strange spectrum, was almost impossible
>     to describe; and it was only by analogy that they called it colour
>     at all.  Its texture was glossy, and upon tapping it appeared to
>     promise both brittle ness and hollowness. One of the professors gave
>     it a smart blow with a hammer, and it burst with a nervous little
>     pop. Nothing was emitted, and all trace of the thing vanished with
>     the puncturing. It left behind a hollow spherical space about three
>     inches across, and all thought it probable that others would be
>     discovered as the enclosing substance wasted away.
>
> I think it really gets to the core of my feelings about this naming
> discussion.
>
> > How about we split the difference and go with "privacy address"? As Peter
> > notes, that's what people actually like and want. The problem with
> stealth
> > is it's got strong connotations with American military hardware and
> perhaps
> > thieves sneaking around in the night:
> >
> >    https://www.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=stealth
>
> WOW! AWESOME KICK-ASS PICS!
>
> Come to think of it, I could have called it "incognito addresses" - a
> term nice enough that Google and Firefox use it in their browsers - but
> what's done is done and any further discussion about this is just going
> to confuse the public. Remember that in the long run all this stuff will
> be hidden behind payment protocols anyway, and users *won't even know*
> that under the hood a stealth address is being used, making the name
> just a technical detail. For now though, lets use the good PR and get
> some early adopters on board.
>
> However, the term 'incognito' probably would be a good one to use within
> wallet software itself to describe what it's doing when the user clicks
> the "I want my transactions to be private" setting - there are after all
> fundemental bandwidth-privacy trade-offs in the threat model supposed by
> both prefix and bloom filters. In this instance the term isn't going to
> go away.
>
>
> Anyway, back to work: For the actual address format I strongly think we
> need to ensure that it can be upgrading in a backwards compatible way.
> This means we have to be able to add new fields - for instance if
> Gregory's ideas for different ways of doing the SPV-bait came to
> fruition. Given that "addresses" aren't something that should stay
> user-visible forever, thoughts on just making the actual data a protocol
> buffers object?
>
> Second question: Any performance figures yet on how efficient scanning
> the blockchain for matching transactions actually is? I'd like to get an
> idea soon for both desktop and smartphone wallets so we can figure out
> what kind of trade-offs users might be forced into in terms of prefix
> length.
>
> --
> 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org
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>
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Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-01-06 12:03 [Bitcoin-development] Stealth Addresses Peter Todd
2014-01-08 10:20 ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-10 10:20   ` Peter Todd
2014-01-10 11:28     ` Drak
2014-01-10 12:00       ` Peter Todd
2014-01-12 10:33     ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-12 12:51       ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-12 18:20         ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-12 18:26           ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-13  9:13             ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-14 14:15               ` Peter Todd
2014-01-14 17:54                 ` Odinn Cyberguerrilla
2014-01-12 21:18       ` Gavin Andresen
2014-01-13  9:52         ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-01-13 10:39           ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-13 13:37             ` Roy Badami
2014-01-13 15:58               ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-13 20:11                 ` Roy Badami
2014-01-14 22:53                 ` Roy Badami
2014-01-15  0:19                   ` Drak
2014-01-15 20:22                     ` Ben Davenport
2014-01-15 20:38                       ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-01-15 20:44                         ` Jeff Garzik
2014-01-15 22:38                           ` [Bitcoin-development] Static addresses on chains encouraging address *RE* use Troy Benjegerdes
2014-01-15 23:01                           ` [Bitcoin-development] Stealth Addresses Mike Hearn
2014-01-15 23:04                           ` Roy Badami
2014-01-15 23:07                             ` Jeff Garzik
2014-01-15 23:17                               ` Roy Badami
2014-01-15 23:19                                 ` Roy Badami
2014-01-15 23:09                           ` [Bitcoin-development] unlinakble static address? & spv-privacy (Re: Stealth Addresses) Adam Back
2014-01-16  1:02                             ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-16  1:32                               ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-01-18 17:44                                 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2014-01-18 20:25                                   ` Christophe Biocca
2014-01-20 11:11                                   ` Peter Todd
2014-01-21  4:00                                 ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-24  9:17                                   ` Peter Todd
2014-01-16 11:42                               ` Adam Back
2014-01-16 18:19                                 ` Troy Benjegerdes
2014-01-16  0:05                           ` [Bitcoin-development] Stealth Addresses Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-16  0:10                             ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-01-16  0:24                             ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-01-16  0:44                             ` Eric Martindale
2014-01-16  6:26                               ` Gary Rowe
2014-01-16  9:48                                 ` Wladimir
2014-01-16  1:16                             ` Odinn Cyberguerrilla
2014-01-16 10:14                             ` Drak
2014-01-16 10:19                               ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-16 11:12                               ` [Bitcoin-development] reusable address privacy problems & fuzzy bait limitations (Re: Stealth Addresses) Adam Back
2014-01-16 21:28                             ` [Bitcoin-development] Stealth Addresses Peter Todd
2014-01-17  2:30                               ` Johnathan Corgan
2014-01-17  3:13                               ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-17  7:49                               ` Drak
2014-01-17  9:15                                 ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-17  9:19                                   ` Mark Friedenbach
2014-01-17  9:23                                   ` Natanael
2014-01-17  9:59                                   ` Drak
2014-01-17 20:16                                     ` Cameron Garnham
2014-01-17 14:46                                   ` Peter Todd
2014-01-17 19:21                                     ` Ben Davenport [this message]
2014-01-18  4:55                                       ` Alan Reiner
2014-01-18  5:09                                         ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-01-18 23:12                                           ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-18 23:50                                             ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-01-20 11:08                                             ` Peter Todd
2014-01-13 19:53               ` Roy Badami
2014-01-13 19:57                 ` Mike Hearn
2014-01-13 20:01                   ` Roy Badami
2014-01-13 19:40           ` Roy Badami
2014-01-13 19:44             ` Drak
2014-01-13 19:59               ` Alan Reiner
2014-01-13 20:10                 ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-01-13 20:15                   ` Peter Todd
2014-01-13 22:02                   ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-14 14:19                     ` Peter Todd
2014-01-14 19:12                       ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-14 20:48                         ` Peter Todd
2014-01-14 21:51                         ` Adam Back
2014-01-14 22:34                           ` Jeremy Spilman
2014-01-13 20:14                 ` Peter Todd
2014-01-13 20:41                   ` Alan Reiner
2014-01-13 20:47                     ` Gregory Maxwell
2014-01-13 21:02                     ` Roy Badami
2014-01-13 21:15                       ` Alan Reiner
2014-01-13 21:27                         ` Peter Todd
     [not found]                           ` <op.w9ne31oqyldrnw@laptop-air.hsd1.ca.comcast.net>
2014-01-14 12:10                             ` Peter Todd
2014-03-06 12:23 ` Dan Carter
     [not found] <mailman.417890.1389952750.21953.bitcoin-development@lists.sourceforge.net>
2014-01-17 12:16 ` joseph

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