From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1521BEB3 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:33:41 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-ob0-f170.google.com (mail-ob0-f170.google.com [209.85.214.170]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F216F170 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:33:39 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbwr7 with SMTP id wr7so22290159obb.2 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 10:33:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=hqOlDs+NcMOoZkgm8QOqDC7QM53Q9zFf12fk0qO5Gdk=; b=GfPZKLws5yaUNELJ+Ya7so2R1MjPsYGn5FLUYR/htlcerfe5qI8JMhQ0dcmbgs9IE4 U55ZYJjjrlr4rihIzETEKCChUC78UXSfatQVRpVmsWJZnPd5AQSgtwImSMgOeFyZU67J gI6uyaLUFghBDuo6bYKKWM+VXNJr9/52bzY/M+9rIgb9zbmcuW2v6Lgzq8za7QkMXlYI xRPlsuYkPTv+OTwxWqHSeJ8suS65Bz66cxdapOGGpWzUwDitOQMmziW9jYgiXVEDZ4Db 79VHpCIxcYwPJUiVkZzIROJag5y0VFy6clFP9wZqvVvzYuELly2MpalbJwS9EhmE6oZ9 O0Rg== X-Received: by 10.182.210.194 with SMTP id mw2mr3170305obc.59.1440696819322; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 10:33:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.45.214 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Aug 2015 10:33:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: prabhat Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 23:03:19 +0530 Message-ID: To: Gavin Andresen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c22f122519df051e4e5eab X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] BIPS proposal for implementing AML-KYC in bitcoin X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2015 17:33:41 -0000 --001a11c22f122519df051e4e5eab Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 So you mean that, 1. Govt agencies already know about everything and anything this subject is about, but passively. 2. Due to passive nature, the actions are post incident and not pre. So there is a risk of many ticking time-bombs which some JB (Jack Bauer or James Bond or Jai Singh Rathore) would diffuse. Sorry for being dramatic, the purpose is to make the point, and nothing else. 3. The subjected proposal doesn't breach the decentralisation, but just not like swiss democracy. I am not a legal expert, but know this much that there are 2 kinds of crimes, one against liberty and other against life. Most of online privacy advocacy is for liberty. But money is attached to life and not liberty. So this has to change. It means life for many and many depend on it. And the appeal is, Let us get active. PS: I do not own much of bitcoins to be an advocate, but many others do and any mayhem would affect me somehow, even if in farthest of world. Best, Prabhat Kumar Singh On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Gavin Andresen wrote: > On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:39 AM, prabhat wrote: > >> So where is the solution? What to do? >> > > This is a development list; organizations like https://coincenter.org/ > work on high-level policy issues. > > Last I heard, competent law enforcement organizations said they were > perfectly capable of tracking down criminals using Bitcoin using > traditional investigative techniques (like infiltrating criminal > organizations or setting up honeypots). Given how many "dark markets" have > either disappeared or been taken down, it seems they are correct. > > -- > -- > Gavin Andresen > --001a11c22f122519df051e4e5eab Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
So you mean that,
  1. Govt agencies already know a= bout everything and anything this subject is about, but passively.
  2. = Due to passive nature, the actions are post incident and not pre. So there = is a risk of many ticking time-bombs which some JB (Jack Bauer or James Bon= d or Jai Singh Rathore) would diffuse. Sorry for being dramatic, the purpos= e is to make the point, and nothing else.
  3. The subjected proposal do= esn't breach the decentralisation, but just not like swiss democracy.
I am not a legal expert, but know this much that there are 2 k= inds of crimes, one against liberty and other against life. Most of online = privacy advocacy is for liberty. But money is attached to life and not libe= rty. So this has to change. It means life for many and many depend on it.

And the appeal is, Let us get active.

PS: I do not own much of bitcoins to be an advocate, but = many others do and any mayhem would affect me somehow, even if in farthest = of world.

Best,

Prabhat Kumar Sin= gh


On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 7:18 PM, Gavin Andre= sen <gavinandresen@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 9:39 AM, prabhat <= prabhatkr@gmail.com> wrote:
So w= here is the solution? What to do?

This is a development list; organizations like=C2=A0= https://coincenter.or= g/ work on high-level policy issues.

Last I he= ard, competent law enforcement organizations said they were perfectly capab= le of tracking down criminals using Bitcoin using traditional investigative= techniques (like infiltrating criminal organizations or setting up honeypo= ts). Given how many "dark markets" have either disappeared or bee= n taken down, it seems they are correct.
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