From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E435F8BA for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:54:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.197]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6DA2116B for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2015 11:54:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f181.google.com ([209.85.220.181]) by mrelay.perfora.net (mreueus001) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MhCAZ-1ZAW1k2WzR-00MLq4 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2015 13:54:37 +0200 Received: by qkbm65 with SMTP id m65so45143259qkb.2 for ; Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:54:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.18.37 with SMTP id c37mr22099933qkh.16.1439034876627; Sat, 08 Aug 2015 04:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.226.68 with HTTP; Sat, 8 Aug 2015 04:54:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150808085451.4689995.38052.4163@thomaszander.se> References: <8185694.hShCHQnpze@coldstorage> <20150808085451.4689995.38052.4163@thomaszander.se> Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 12:54:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: Adam Back To: Thomas Zander Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:/eGucg04pvdRlfbRAT+20GEMgKKKfu4Ks7mQl42t+GZppQWLLq4 jLaEb8xb5PayhSoQ1hdECWSN/RoeNaHkxTtAeDww/gqLFqenLCxnnhP6ULdlGhBLsKMB+VG O0+hYtUMEMSKOnwLS/shfEeLEPtkur75ZTBHtxBEvC/M+0VAvsMgHXraLvwLbNPYSl/uw70 72QQnw9znEMQ36lcKKO7g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:/kc+vVrSVv8=:EmBUVU+kF2jGAJqx0lTSFl cJu9JHximkhnbeNMqVtMsKW6jZZ/8qUUxX2omUsbLtI0UaGL8AXx4NBgnAG8DzRumrzRog3ep zBebnXzV4mTJn/OC6+b1L7mUSJ8HF8x9PAy4vXNcLoegbIPVXQr2+on1GSj6oSRR5r3w/fcEP zrB14aBCIYvJlhu9q2BUT/58j7klE4tvGKMNTBhzwyn86PX+R2s50MrjNn7UFw9CZ+xN4V4Lt M19fw3SWoWXS5XuhDa5sUfePYOPdHEmt7pkc3tDjhPJfmFAzW94UZ429cNcM0asKl/oyMFkBE /UhqDZ7intdnPvwGIrbQQRLiz3sYx4qZTl5XInLJ7nxRBiCE1esirTS3LbQskVGLZ9QVd6OB8 1yICnhfFOWuCL1/W2B8z423Jh89URbJMFun8R8KfyMisnZDWsUC892bTlR+FMsSxg3wQm6GMM OVhM9oMLjOVxyjOURmFdwbHvaulXSJnPcVGOwY1hclfGmLwGgTLkDtUSzP7jv+QLdtfpLtiSY bXHZYXqjJcFS+ZeRvqWIIBQ9Si+VQnv48XAj+lllA44zql8JMH3mdLQ/fTVEwb5cTehGLFpaA VEdV1Szpv+wowSsKy83yIne8rbYLXBj0KqHTGJjU5vcD4ItuQtwTFEl5AxIL2lA5VZc5CpiIF o36O4LWv1fylXMRytx7rpqWW9mHZBd/tQKfrKKVOV7M138WAEG6xYoOaev8pZ2ghcb6cr6qjV T9zebR5tOmE+ulgu X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: Bitcoin Dev Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] trust X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2015 11:54:39 -0000 On 8 August 2015 at 09:54, Thomas Zander wrote: > I didn't say off-chain, and gave an example of on-chain usecase with trusted middleman. That's basically the definition of off-chain. When we say MtGox or coinbase etc are off-chain transactions, that is because a middle man has the private keys to the coins and gave you an IOU of some kind. Adam