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[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x139-20020a25e091000000b00dcd2dd6bba7si672580ybg.1.2024.04.07.00.20.24 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 07 Apr 2024 00:20:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of decker.christian@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c as permitted sender) client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c; Received: by mail-io1-xd2c.google.com with SMTP id ca18e2360f4ac-7d5e27eca85so13646539f.3 for ; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 00:20:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a92:cdae:0:b0:369:9adc:8ae with SMTP id g14-20020a92cdae000000b003699adc08aemr7454034ild.10.1712474423860; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 00:20:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <950b875a-e430-4bd8-870d-f9a9fab2493an@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <950b875a-e430-4bd8-870d-f9a9fab2493an@googlegroups.com> From: Christian Decker Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2024 09:20:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [bitcoindev] Re: The Future of Bitcoin Testnet To: Calvin Kim Cc: Bitcoin Development Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b8a73206157c85af" X-Original-Sender: Decker.Christian@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@gmail.com header.s=20230601 header.b=kH639DH0; spf=pass (google.com: domain of decker.christian@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=decker.christian@gmail.com; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=QUARANTINE dis=NONE) header.from=gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list bitcoindev@googlegroups.com; contact bitcoindev+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: X-Google-Group-Id: 786775582512 List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: , List-Unsubscribe: , X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --000000000000b8a73206157c85af Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'd like to add my counter example to this: all constructions of off-chain protocols that we know to this day require a repudiation period, during which other parties can intervene to correct or penalize a misbehaving party. This period is enforced in all cases by a delay expressed in blocks. The unpredictable block generation rate means this mechanism is almost impossible to test on testnet, making it's utility for offchain protocol testing dubious if not outright void. While a better behaved testnet is no guarantee that it will give rise to a persistent ecosystem that allows more extensive real world testing on testnet, I'd love to have at least the option. TL;DR: addressing the difficulty reset would be much appreciated. Regards, Christian -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Bitcoin Development Mailing List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bitcoindev+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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I'd like to add my counter example to this: all const= ructions of off-chain protocols that we know to this day require a repudiat= ion period, during which other parties can intervene to correct or penalize= a misbehaving party. This period is enforced in all cases by a delay expre= ssed in blocks.

The unpredicta= ble block generation rate means this mechanism is almost impossible to test= on testnet, making it's utility for offchain protocol testing dubious = if not outright void.

Wh= ile a better behaved testnet is no guarantee that it will give rise to a pe= rsistent ecosystem that allows more extensive real world testing on testnet= , I'd love to have at least the option.

TL;DR: addressing the difficulty reset would be much ap= preciated.

Regards,
Christian

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