From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org [172.17.192.35]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36505ACC for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:17:04 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com [209.85.212.179]) by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36E9CE5 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:17:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wibdq8 with SMTP id dq8so66112360wib.1 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 02:17:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=d9EZds+psLwMgS1XUMtnf12/yQDLcLDzgI0JewIsV74=; b=UCHCDHpaU2KsoUjPVixanJamuUdkzPrVb52WbgfLPExsUMowbftW5ErN5M/90CTMws wmXeKgGf3byYpkSvGL558QhymY71hfRPqGahh/FKHB7jxGwGE2IXueGQbWb1KGLl17RO 4Zdb8fv/nDapMFrZypC50Bx+H8f1iXE9OV5tXNahr9oOYHAZMTv7cKdPNNedgYPHANP+ bKJ+ZKTn/ks5YXn6r4uWswxtH0yuGBAHBuVAltJvPIThTQK2jY9iv2N2FV8ekhDjX+iI ytIowJk5dDIwIVGzTBD+xSJs2GMPR0gXKFmbAWKDSfgI0stl08TrAGzgJ4MeZ8MtRcIj YLFQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.95.67 with SMTP id di3mr20133889wib.78.1435569420844; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 02:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.2.237 with HTTP; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 02:17:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 17:17:00 +0800 Message-ID: From: Pindar Wong To: Michael Naber Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044287e26144d70519a48ddf X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,FREEMAIL_FROM,HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on smtp1.linux-foundation.org Cc: "bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org" Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Core: The globally aware global consensus network X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2015 09:17:04 -0000 --f46d044287e26144d70519a48ddf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Michael Naber wrote: > Bitcoin is globally aware global consensus. > > It means every node both knows about and agrees on every transaction. > > Do we need global awareness of every transaction to run a worldwide > payment network? Of course not! In fact the limits of today's technology > probably would not even allow it. > > Global awareness is a finite resource. That's okay; hub and spoke, or > other clever designs are going to ensure we can run worldwide transactions > without requiring global awareness. That's great! > > But even if we have hub and spoke, we still need a "hub" at the center. > Bitcoin Core needs to focus on being that hub. It needs to be the best > globally aware global consensus network that we can build. Let's put > aside our differences and focus on this goal. > > Part of building the best network means ensuring that network can operate > at the highest capacity technology can allow. > > If we run the test-net to show that hardware exists today to safely > increase block size to a static 8 MB, then we will have broad developer > support to make this happen. > Dear Michael, I'm very supportive of the idea that there should be thorough and adequate testing of any proposed change in the maximum block size (e.g. to 8MB). See Peter Todd's earlier posts on the subject. > > Let's get that done. We can continue to adjust the block size upward in > the future as technology permits. > Let's work together to establish a testing process to establish the necessary data transparency and real-world telemetry to help remove uncertainty as best we can. > > Thoughts? > Evan has suggested that Huobi would require in the order of 3 months of testings, first on a test-net. http://cointelegraph.com/news/114657/chinese-mining-pools-call-for-consensus-refuse-switch-to-bitcoin-xt Working back from BIP101's 11 Jan 2016 date, it would appear that such testing should begin in early-mid October. Hence my offer to host a face-to-face meeting in Hong Kong October 14-15. [NOTE: There is a separate, but possibly related blockchainworkshops.org meeting being planned in HK by Primavera De Filippi and Constance Choi for October 12-13. The main meeting room, for 300 people, has been reserved for this community's use on October 14,15. Cyberport is able to setup IRC, livestream video etc. and connect with other satellite conference centers (e.g. one in Shanghai) should that be desired.] The purpose of such a face-to-face meeting could be discuss the results of the testing process e.g. the first set of test(s), and engineer any remaining ones that will be necessary to raise the level of confidence to help 'mine consensus' for any hard fork. If anyone is willing to contribute resources to participate in the design, execution and analysis of such testing, then please post to this thread and we can take it from there. Respectfully, p. > _______________________________________________ > bitcoin-dev mailing list > bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org > https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev > > --f46d044287e26144d70519a48ddf Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Michael Naber <mickeybob@gmail.com<= /a>> wrote:
=
Bitcoin is globally= aware global consensus.

It means every node both knows abou= t and agrees on every transaction.

Do we need global awarenes= s of every transaction to run a worldwide payment network? Of course not! I= n fact the limits of today's technology probably would not even allow i= t.

Global awareness is a finite resource. That's okay; hu= b and spoke, or other clever designs are going to ensure we can run worldwi= de transactions without requiring global awareness. That's great!
=

But even if we have hub and spoke, we still need a "hub"= at the center. Bitcoin Core needs to focus on being that hub. It needs to = be the best globally aware global consensus network that we can build.=C2= =A0Let's put aside= our differences and focus on this goal.=C2=A0

Part of= building the best network means ensuring that network can operate at the h= ighest capacity technology can allow.=C2=A0

If we run the tes= t-net to show that hardware exists today to safely increase block size to a= static 8 MB, then we will have broad developer support to make this happen= .


Dear Michael,

I= 9;m very supportive of the idea that there should be thorough and adequate testing of any=20 proposed change in the maximum block size (e.g. to 8MB). See Peter Todd'= ;s earlier posts on the subject.=C2=A0
=C2=A0

Let's get that done= . We can continue to adjust the block size upward in the future as technolo= gy permits.

Let's work together to est= ablish a testing process to establish the necessary=20 data transparency and real-world telemetry to help remove uncertainty as be= st we can.
=C2=A0

Thoughts?

= Evan has suggested that Huobi would require in the order of 3 months of tes= tings, first on a test-net.=C2=A0

http://cointelegraph.com/news/114657/chinese-min= ing-pools-call-for-consensus-refuse-switch-to-bitcoin-xt

Working back from BIP101's=C2=A0 11 Jan 2016 date, it would appear = that such testing should begin in early-mid October. Hence my offer to host= a face-to-face meeting in Hong Kong October 14-15.

[NOTE: There is= a separate, but possibly related blockchainworkshops.org meeting being planned in HK= by Primavera De Filippi and Constance Choi=C2=A0 for October 12-13. The ma= in meeting room, for 300 people, has been reserved for this community's= use on October 14,15. Cyberport is able to setup IRC, livestream video etc= . and connect with other satellite conference centers (e.g. one in Shanghai= ) should that be desired.]

The purpose of such a face-to-= face meeting could be discuss the results of the testing process e.g. the f= irst set of test(s), and engineer any remaining ones that will be necessary= to raise the level of confidence to help 'mine consensus' for any = hard fork.

If anyone is willing to contribute resources = to participate in the design, execution and analysis of such testing, then = please post to this thread and we can take it from there.

Respectfully,

p.



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